3SGTE

[zandrakweb]

For anyone whos done it before or knows how to.. how difficult would it be to put a 3sgte into an ae101 levin?

[Malcolm]

i would say definitely doable. Biggest possible problem that comes to mind is the intake manifold, you may have to move the engine forward a bit to make it clear the firewall, or you might have to go for a custom manifold. other than that, if you have good mechanical knowledge, reasonable fabrication skills (for engine mounts etc), and can read schematic wiring diagrams then it should be possible if you're prepared to dedicate the time needed for research and building...
failing that I'm sure you could get it done by someone else for under $3K or so

[Lloyd]

I'd be guessing a lot more than 3 grand. Its not an entirely small engine when you compare it to an A series. Probably going to be a bit of fabrication and firewall-moving to get it all in there nicely and not to mention sorting out the wiring side of things.

Be easier to build a 7AGTE and drop it in

[Malcolm]

I'm not thinking of taking it to a performance workshop, but rather a competent backyard type...maybe $3K is a bit optimistic, but for a straight swap with no other mods I don't expect it would be much more than that...

[sergei]

My St165 engine bay is very similar in size to my AE101 bay...
So fiting in should not be a problem...
the whole setup is very similar too (location of engine mounts etc..)

[Malcolm]

well....you'll find the cambelt end engine mount is further forward on the 4A than the 3S, this is due to the 3s being on a serious backward lean. You will almost certainly have to weld new mounts to the chassis for this one, rather than just making up a mount to go between the 3S and the factory 4A one. For the end gearbox mount, IF you're using a E153 (factory mr2 turbo) gearbox, you can probably use the same mount from an ae101 GTZ (equipped with E5? gearbox). The rear gearbox mount should be the same story, then just the front one needs to be fabbed, which is reasonably easy. Mounting it using this method will ensure the driveshafts are straight (as you're using factory GTZ mounts to locate the gearbox), however it quite possibly will locate the engine too close to the firewall, and cause interference issues with the intake manifold. The solution to this is to move the engine forward, which will probably have detrimental effects on the handling, will cause the driveshafts to be angled backward slightly, and will require you to make all new engine mounts.

[Ae92typeX]

It is possible for sure, and has been done in 101's several times. fernsport or something in england has done it many times and theres a site in aus with one somewhere. Ive got a magazine with the english company somewhere, will try and find it...
fabrication involves changing the engine mounts, but the engine/box itself fits in no probs. A strong enough fwd box can be an issue, but I think the sw20 one can have the shifter adapted for fwd.

[Malcolm]

A strong enough fwd box can be an issue, but I think the sw20 one can have the shifter adapted for fwd.

yep, just use the sw20 turbo box with a shifter arm and linkages from a front engined E series box (GTZ or GT-Four for instance)

[Ae92typeX]

would be a pretty cool conversion. I seriously looked it it when I had the 92', but got distracted onto other things and when I thought about it again I had sold it lol

[Malcolm]

it would be indeed, although I don't know if I'm really that keen on the idea of a high HP FWD car...never driven any fwd's I'd consider to be very powerful though so maybe I would be swayed if I ever do...

[Ae92typeX]

Fensport, not fernsport...whoops.
heres the link:

http://www.fensport.co.uk/fensportcarsmain.htm

Ae111 and Ae102, but close enough

[BigDon]

Im looking to put a 3SGTE into my AE101 FX and below is some stuff I cut off a website (it relates to an ae82 conversion, so some of it might not be relevant for an AE101) when I was doing some research, I can't remeber the link but I think this info came of turbocorolla.com? or some similar named site. Plus some of my own thoughts on the conversion.

TRDMAN aka Bruce Sollitt has a 3SGE rally AE101 FXGT and also Maclenans down here in Wellington have done a couple of 3SGE conversions.

Im budgeting $10-12K for the conversion based on the following parts and paying some one to do it all and getting a deal, because I just don't have the time or facilities to do it myself:

Engine
Gearbox plus trans cooler
Frontmount IC and Piping
New Exhaust
New Computer: Autronic or similar grade or if I get short on cash a Link.
New Fuel pump, Catch can, swirl pot, CVs and other stuff that just happens to need to be changed
Certification


This is also based on the fact that I have already upgraded my brakes (brembo slotted rotors, mintex 1166 pads and ELF fluid and have a full TRD suspension set of H/A coil overs, sway bars, bushes and a strut brace arriving in two weeks from Japan).

From my ready reckoning I think the car will gain at least 60Kgs in the front due to the turbo, IC, trans cooler, cast exhaust manifold etc and the 3SGTE simply being heavier than a 4AGE. To combat this I intend putting a carbon fibre bonnet on and moving the battery to the boot. Also looking to relocate the washer bottle to the boot if that is possible. Im also not sure if the radiator will need to be changed to a bigger one or not.

Stuff from the website
"for the shafts, you need celica st185 shafts with SC outer CV's (thats what people do when building mk1.5 mr2's) and you can keep your standard hubs!

FWIW, all that is required to convert the sw20 box for fwd is to replace the shift arm with one from a fwd E series box, and plug up the hole left by the old arm. The arms shouldn't be hard to come across, infact I have a spare

However, for some reason sw20 boxes seem to be priced a lot higher than fwd celica/curren etc ones, so its probably not worth it.

3SGTE ST185. Fueling- ST185 Group A Fuel Pump, Twin Cam EFI Fuel Tank, Twin Cam 5/16" Main Line and 1/4" Return/Vapour Lines. VR Commodore Inline Fuel Filter 5/16"

Driveline: MR2 Turbo LSD Gearbox, MR2 Turbo LSD Shafts with ST185 Outer CV Joints, 5 Puck Ceramic Button Clutch Sprung Centre 1100kg Pressure Plate.

Other Mods: Custom 350x300x65mm intercooler, Blitz Dual SBC Boost Controller, 3" mandrel bent SS exhaust straight through, 3" K&N Pod Filter, AE92 Levin Front Struts w/ 258x22 Discs and Single Spot Levin Caliper w/ Metal King pads, Twin Cam Rear End w/ Discs, ST165 JDM Bucket Seats, Twin Cam Instrument Display, ST185 Twin Core Radiator w/ Twin 10" Davies Craig Thermofans, ST185 Brake Booster / master Cylinder, SV11 Camry Radiator Overflow Bottle, NGK Iridium Plugs, Front Mounted ST185 Intercooler and Transmission Cooler, Bonnet Pins as latch was removed.
SUSPENSION:
Front - Koni Adjustable Shocks, -25mm Jumboz springs 220lb/inch, Polyeurathane bushes, Positive Caster Kit giving +1.5 degree caster. Twin cam swaybar. Custom Strut Brace.
Rear - KYB Heavy Duty Shocks, -25mm Jumboz springs 200lb/inch, Whiteline Adjustable 18mm Swaybar, Polyurethane trailing arm bushes, Front / Rear Camber kit.
TYRES: 205/50/15 Falken Azenis Real Sports (Front) 195/50/15 Yokohama A509 (Rear)
Horsepower: 149kw @ wheels
Best ET: 14.09@101mph (2.26 60ft), 14.66@103mph"


Hope this helps zandrakweb, anyone else with any other things I should think about please let me know.

[vvega]

Horsepower: 149kw @ wheels
Best ET: 14.09@101mph (2.26 60ft), 14.66@103mph"
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but why ?? 149 kw is eazy to do with a 4age ??
you couls save considerable money and do a 7agte and have the best of both world and save yourself a fortune

also you have shock swaybars etc.... well time to cange all that to the dirrent wieght will mean new springs and getting them revalved to cope
as well ad you will now change the wieght bias of the car so the swaybars will have to be retuned

i know people have done thi before but they would have puyt a lot more money into it that what your proposing
10 k will get you a good gen 3 3sgte a link a tune and getting it in
it will not get you all the other things you need to make it work
it will not get a a aurtonic.. 4k buy itself


Engine 2-3k
Gearbox plus trans cooler 500 -1000 + lsd cost
Frontmount IC and Piping 1000
New Exhaust 500-1000
New Computer: Autronic or similar grade or if I get short on cash a Link. aurtronic 4 k
New Fuel pump, Catch can, swirl pot, CVs and other stuff that just happens to need to be changed 1-2 k
Certification 400

remeber your paying to get this done so add on 2-3 k for that part as well

v

[Al]

Horsepower: 149kw @ wheels
Best ET: 14.09@101mph (2.26 60ft), 14.66@103mph"

Lots of dollars and time for not much return.

[Mr Revhead]

well..... it may make an interesting road car, but a dragger it wont be

[BigDon]

I was surprised at how little power it made, but realistically 3SGTE's can make some very good power and we dont know what boost he was running, how old the engine was and all the other stuff that effects power, ecu fuel maps etc).

My plan is that once the engine is in thrash it unitl it dies, then fully rebulding it to cope with some serious horsepower.

Personally, based on the trade people I know and have talked to, $10K $12K is do able (and if it does run out another $3k or so it not really a big deal).

Because

A: I can get all the parts at trade prices and
B: I won't be paying retail for the labour.

Warrick you right and Im not building it as a dragger, Im planing on fast (and I hope it will be very fast) road and club day stuff.

Vvega, I would be interested in how your friends got on with building their cars and any of the pit falls that they encountered? If people have done it cant be that pointless can it?

[elliot7]

Contact Palmside in CH CH, they have built avery fast AE101 with 3S motor. 03 338 9151

[Mr Revhead]

fast it will be.... handler.... i dont know!

its one of those things, car decisons are made with the heart... sometimes you do cause you want to... doesnt have to make sense.

go for it and make sure you tell us all about it!