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3SGE throttle pics, with questions. 9.6kbps=no

Postby RomanV » Sun Jun 12, 2005 3:30 am

Hi there folks.

I was wondering if any of you kind souls could help me identify a few things, as I am not sure what they are. :?
My terminoligy might not be entirely correct, so please be patient. :oops:
Part of the reason that I am doing this project, is to learn these things, so I will know better in the future. 8)

First up, the exhaust system.
I have labelled parts, A,B,C,D.
I am incredibly sure that part C is an oxygen sensor.
But what about A,B,D? Are these three items cat converters? :? Or something else? I wouldnt have thought an engine would have THREE cats. Resonators perhaps?
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Next up! Intake manifold/throttle body.
The first pic is just a general view, so you can see what Im talking about.
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The second pic is a close up of the left hand end.
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There is a hose coming off this (A), and also a second attachment (B) where it would appear that another hose is to attach. What would these be for?
Would I be correct in assuming that this end of the manifold would have a slightly lower pressure than the other end.
Because you have four thirsty cylinders sucking in air from the 'throttle' end of the manifold.
Would these hoses perhaps be to equalise the pressure at both ends? Or would they be for an idle control/extra air for when the engine is cold?
Hmmm. Not sure about that one.
EDIT: Hmm, I dont think it would provide air to the manifold, as this would mean that it would have to plumb back into the intake. Otherwise it would be getting unfiltered air. So my money is on the fact that it leads to a vaccuum sensor at the moment. :)

The next picture is a view of the throttle body taken off the intake manifold. Looking from the *inside* of the throttle.
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There is a small chamber here, (marked in red) which leads to... I dont know? Is it an idle control perhaps?
EDIT: now that I look at it some more, it looks like it provides air for the engine when idling.
It looks like it gets air from a cutout on the other side of the throttle plate.
Also, look in the bottom left of the picture. There are two connectors for hoses to attach to. If I blow in one, air comes out the other. If I block one hole and blow in the other, the nothing happens. Any idea what these would be for?

The next pic is looking inside the throttle from the *outside* eg. intake side.
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Now, there are three things here worthy of mention. A,B,C. :)

Now one of these, (I am presuming B!) is the idle control (lets air past the throttle plate for when the car is idling) But what about the other two? A leads to a tiny little hose on the outside. C leads to.... I dont know. It doesnt seem to be connected to either of the two pipes that I blew through earlier. Perhaps it is a temperature sensor?

The next pic is a view from the outside.
With A,B, and C of course. :)
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Now 'A' is where pipe 'A' from the picture above comes out. Its tiny, it looks like it has an inside diameter of about 1-2mm?

Now there is hose outlet 'B', which looks as if it is not a factory item. it is tapped in, and comes out on the *inside* of the throttle plate. For an aftermarket MAP sensor I would imagine.
hose outlet 'C' looks very factory, and runs to... Well see the pic below. :)
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It runs into the area outlined, however the gasket covers over this area. It doesnt appear to run to anywhere? very strange. :?

Also, you can see where pipe 'B' from the picture above comes out. Very rough looking, definitely not a factory item. I Will just seal this off, if I will be running the factory AFM I would imagine.
Also, across the bottom edge there, you can see the recess that (I think) is the idle control mentioned earlier.

Well.... Thats all for now!
Thanks for any assistance you may be able to provide. 8)
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Postby Alex B » Sun Jun 12, 2005 4:42 am

a and b are just flexi joints d is your cat.
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Postby AceSniper » Sun Jun 12, 2005 5:55 am

A,B = Flexy
C = Oxy

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A=Brake booster
b= power steering
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Postby RomanV » Sun Jun 12, 2005 1:04 pm

Aaah, cool, thanks.

So it would appear that the cat could quite easily be for a piece of pipe with end plates on it.

Is there any way to get a cat tested? I would rather keep it there if it still works. However there is not much point if it is useless.
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Postby RomanV » Sun Jun 12, 2005 2:14 pm

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Now there is hose outlet 'B', which looks as if it is not a factory item. it is tapped in, and comes out on the *inside* of the throttle plate. For an aftermarket MAP sensor I would imagine.


After discussing it with the old man, and looking at it some more, could it possibly be tapped in for running a nitrous system at some stage?
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Postby RomanV » Sun Jun 12, 2005 2:20 pm

The second pic is a close up of the left hand end.
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There is a hose coming off this (A), and also a second attachment (B) where it would appear that another hose is to attach. What would these be for?


Vacuum hoses for the brake booster most likely. 8)
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Re: 3SGE throttle pics, with questions. 9.6kbps=no

Postby Ebola_One » Tue Jun 14, 2005 7:53 pm

RomanV wrote:The next picture is a view of the throttle body taken off the intake manifold. Looking from the *inside* of the throttle.
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There is a small chamber here, (marked in red) which leads to... I dont know? Is it an idle control perhaps?
EDIT: now that I look at it some more, it looks like it provides air for the engine when idling.
It looks like it gets air from a cutout on the other side of the throttle plate.
Also, look in the bottom left of the picture. There are two connectors for hoses to attach to. If I blow in one, air comes out the other. If I block one hole and blow in the other, the nothing happens. Any idea what these would be for?

That'll be a FITV or similar, Fast Idle Thermo Valve.

Basically, when the water is cold, the thermo valve (it's just like a thermostat) will be open to let more air through.
When the water is hot, the valve will close (it's sprung) to prevent air getting through. Just helps cold starting.
If there is an electrical connector on there somewhere (you should be able to un-bolt the unit completely from the TB) then it'll be an Aux air valve. The ECU will look after that, best you leave it be.
If you want, you can remove the FITV, but you will suffer from a shitty cold idle. once it's warned up, it'll be fine. But be prepared to have a "rotor" for 5 mins...

RomanV wrote:http://img237.echo.cx/my.php?image=imag000018ld.jpg
Now, there are three things here worthy of mention. A,B,C.

Now one of these, (I am presuming B!) is the idle control (lets air past the throttle plate for when the car is idling) But what about the other two? A leads to a tiny little hose on the outside. C leads to.... I dont know. It doesnt seem to be connected to either of the two pipes that I blew through earlier. Perhaps it is a temperature sensor?

Ok, A looks like it's temp sensor feed maybe, it's hard to say without seeing this on the engine & all hooked up.
B will be connected to the FITV, it's the feed for it. It might also feed air to a AAC if the manifold has/had one.
C looks mucho like an injector. Maybe for cold start?

As for those two 1-2mmID lines on the TB itself, if you blow through both, can you feel air coming from that "thing that doesn't go anywhere" maybe it was just a tidier way to get vacuum out the back of the TB without running heaps of vacuum lines?

Hope I've helped in someway...
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Postby Ebola_One » Tue Jun 14, 2005 7:54 pm

RomanV wrote:
The second pic is a close up of the left hand end.
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There is a hose coming off this (A), and also a second attachment (B) where it would appear that another hose is to attach. What would these be for?


Vacuum hoses for the brake booster most likely. 8)

I'd say A is a brake booster line, but B... who knows.
Actually, was this intake off a boosted engine? chances are, it goes to either the BOV (there's a vacuum line that lets the spring releave pressure or something) or the wastegate (same deal)
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Postby RomanV » Tue Jun 14, 2005 10:38 pm

Wow, thanks for the help!

Its from an NA 3SGE, definitely no forced induction. :)

And the pipes from there look very standard, definitely not an aftermarket item.

As for the other bits.... Well yours is the best guess so far. :D

About the 'cold start injector' piece.
Well you can see in this photo, that it pretty much runs straight in line with one of the pipes that I was blowing air through earlier. :)

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So.... hmm... It might make more sense when I have the head to look at also, to see if there is an outlet on the fuel rail for this perhaps.

Time will tell hopefully. :)
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Postby Ebola_One » Wed Jun 15, 2005 5:51 pm

No problem, be interested to see where the other stuff goes.

Does anyone have pics of this stuff in their car?
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Postby RomanV » Wed Jun 15, 2005 6:55 pm

Yeah, I will post some more pics once I have the head back. :)

I will be reassembling the engine, but I want to find out as much about it as I go, rather than just slapping it all together. :)
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