Who you voting for NOW?!

[mr pad]

yes but with the right insentive the are minuplitable and prodictable.

yeah.... thats part of the reason they are lame.....

[Kermit12a]

yes but with the right insentive the are minuplitable and prodictable.

yeah.... thats part of the reason they are lame.....

Yes, But great at the same time No!!!

I am glad the people who are trying to get into govenment hold a little dignaty as it could get very messy going on what you obsurve in this forum.

[pervert]

It still a loan pervert. You have to pay it back sometime. Just like taking out a loan with the bank or credit company.....IF someone really believes their future lies in signing up for tertiary courses which will cost them 000's so it enables them to get a tiny 150 a week they are deluded....

That's irrelevant, the fact that it is an INTEREST FREE LOAN is the appealing factor...

No-one said they weren't deluded, do you not realise how many drop-kicks there are in the world?

...and news flash, that number is growing too...why encourage them...chances are the people who do this are our future inmates and sickness beneficiaries anyway, so no, they won't have to pay it back...

[bad20v]

Politics always causes arguements in any situation, its almost as bad as religion!

Almost man, almost... both are = as silly. Humans are lame....

Oh Oh Oh, I feel a new poll coming on.... wait!

And here it is.....

viewtopic.php?t=36738

Enjoy.

[Kermit12a]

It still a loan pervert. You have to pay it back sometime. Just like taking out a loan with the bank or credit company.....IF someone really believes their future lies in signing up for tertiary courses which will cost them 000's so it enables them to get a tiny 150 a week they are deluded....

That's irrelevant, the fact that it is an INTEREST FREE LOAN is the appealing factor...

No-one said they weren't deluded, do you not realise how many drop-kicks there are in the world?

...and news flash, that number is growing too...why encourage them...chances are the people who do this are our future inmates and sickness beneficiaries anyway, so no, they won't have to pay it back...

Yes but the only person they are screwing is them selves. They will alwasy have a bad credit rating it will make it harder for them to travle.

Let them fall is all I can say.

At least it gives people options as there are people out there who will still use this option well and there will allways be people who do not no matter what they do.

[mr pad]

Yes but the only person they are screwing is them selves. They will alwasy have a bad credit rating it will make it harder for them to travle.

Let them fall is all I can say.

At least it gives people options as there are people out there who will still use this option well and there will allways be people who do not no matter what they do.

Hmm thats a bit loserish. Why would you set someone up to fail?

Yes there are always going to be diddles, but no reason to encourage it to happen when there are good alternatives/incentives....

[AE85coupe]

Students are forced to pay back there loan, it comes out of your ird tax

so i don't see how being interest free will affect the hopeless up to fuuck all uni types

[pervert]

Students are forced to pay back there loan, it comes out of your ird tax

so i don't see how being interest free will affect the hopeless up to fuuck all uni types

Forced is a bit over the top...encouraged is more appropriate...like anything there's always a way around it...

It's hard to pay tax, when your being paid by other peoples tax, if you catch my drift...

...as a side note, failing to pay back a student loan will not affect your credit rating kermit12a.

[AE85coupe]

you may be paying other peoples tax, but also paying your own tax (most of the genuine students have part-time jobs)

then when you finish, your paying back all that tax plus extra for your current tax, which will be more than usual because on average uni graduates make 50000 per year, and non-uni graduates make 30000 per year

this is all fine and good, for the people who finish uni with a decent degree

but there is many a student who really does just live to be a student, especially here in Dunedin haha

[pervert]

I mean people who do this, then spend the rest of their life on some kind of benefit/dole whatever...they borrowed all that money, then it's being paid back by the same people they borrowed it off...

[JT]

ERRRR. I know your a mod of these forums but I'm still going to say it anyway. Your an idiot. An idiot whos ill informed as well.

Haha, let me teach you lesson then. At least if you are going to resort to calling someone names make sure YOUR facts are straight, in this case you don't and it shows you up as the idiot.

Where to start. The first three issues you listed were done via a CONSCIENCE vote where EVERY member of paliament votes and not on party lines. But yeah blame the labour party anyway

Where to start huh... If you had done any research you would know the Labour party pushed for the legislations being civil unions and prostitution. If you knew this you would also know that 90% of the Labour party AND green party members voted FOR them and nearly 90% of National party voted against them

Helen Clark doesn't believe in Marriage Best one Ive heard all day
She is MARRIED to Dr Peter Davis and has been for a heck of a long time.

Helen clark is married, yes i know that (as again I have done some research) and she herself has written (I'll find a link soon) she "doesn't believe in marriage and the only reason she got married was to stop people questioning her sexuality". She lives in the NI and he lives in CHCH, great marriage they must have.

"in bed with tree hugging hippies" ROFL watch the news man or read the local paper or something!!!. This election term they are NOT in coalition with the greens as they had a falling out over genetic modification and cornogate.

See my point about labour AND greens on the civil unions and prostitution
Chances are they would need to go with them again if they got in this term.

"NCEA screw up" NATIONAL introduced NCEA NOT LABOUR Get that through your head man and also the report on NCEA found that regardless on whome would instigate the system there would have been problems.

NCEA was introduced in 2002, who was in Government in 2002, or 2001 or 2000?

Only 15% of people go on to univeristy education. Thats not all that much at all. As for the interest free loans its great and will help many more people with the cost of university. Don't even try to argue with me that you believe studetns will borrow more out of it and get into more debt as hopefully you have the intelligence to know thats incorrect....

Im not going to bother arguing, I'll tell you straight up. You'd be an idiot to go to Uni and not book up every possible cost you incur against your student loan, while keeping as much money in the bank and earning interest from it. And you're telling me this wont increase borrowing, riiiight.

Next?

Oh and here's some more good reasons not to vote for labour:
http://cathyodgers.blogspot.com/2005/09 ... ndals.html

[pervert]

BAM!

[AE85coupe]

I mean people who do this, then spend the rest of their life on some kind of benefit/dole whatever...they borrowed all that money, then it's being paid back by the same people they borrowed it off...

hahaha those people should be shot hahahaha

whats wrong with prostitution and civil union? (wait for it)

[pervert]

Prostitution, nothing...civil union...lots...

Nice pot stir though...

[blackie]

Winston peters 4 lyfe

Helen clark majorly $&#$% me off.
I think ill still vote national.

[Alex B]

It still a loan pervert. You have to pay it back sometime. Just like taking out a loan with the bank or credit company.....IF someone really believes their future lies in signing up for tertiary courses which will cost them 000's so it enables them to get a tiny 150 a week they are deluded....

Or you could just rack up a 40k loan, get your PhD, leave the country, deam your self bankrupt in nz and come back in 3-5 years

[bogjob_kp60]

I will cut off my left testicle if National gets in

[bad20v]

What ever happened to theMacGillycarty Serious Party

[fivebob]

I will cut off my left testicle if National gets in

Then you can have a bet with Bob Clarkson

What ever happened to theMacGillycarty Serious Party

Or The McGillicuddy Serious Party even Now there's some policies worth voting for

Seems from the serious nature of the debate in this thread people have yet two learn the two inexorable truths about Elections, namely;
1. Don't vote, it only encourages them.
2. Don't vote, Governments always win

[Emperor]

I will cut off my left testicle if National gets in

i'm holding you to that