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by **avinesh** » Sat Oct 01, 2005 3:47 pm

hey just wanted to ask you guys if a bz-r can pull a 14.7 with intake and exhust done to it only no other mods at all, a frend of mine has a bz-r and he says he has done it in his levin but if its tru then i think he will be able to keep up with stockish type r's on the drag strip....

by **CEvans** » Sat Oct 01, 2005 4:10 pm

yip sure can have run a 14.75 with just a pod filter set up but now have a better intake system and extractors on the way .

by **CEvans** » Sat Oct 01, 2005 4:11 pm

oh and it was my first ever drag and i dont think my reaction speed was all that great im sure iv heard of them getting lower 14s in near stock form.

by **avinesh** » Sat Oct 01, 2005 5:34 pm

CEvans wrote:oh and it was my first ever drag and i dont think my reaction speed was all that great im sure iv heard of them getting lower 14s in near stock form.

ok so are bz-r's faster then sir-g integra's (1.8 vtec) coz my brothers 96 integra sir-g does a 14.9 with intake, exhust and lsd gear box.

by **auch** » Sat Oct 01, 2005 7:44 pm

no your mistaken there. a fellow crew member of mine had done a 13.9 on his teg type r before he had a fatal crash on the streets. the mods done to it are only full exhaust system, pod filter and a carbon fibre bonnet to lighten up the load. the tires used WAS NOT slicks but i dont know what...

i gues a low 14's on a near stock bzr is definitely a posibility with plenty of lightening like no rear seats, passenger seat, complete bare boot and no interior door panels. oh yeah, no shitty tires too...hehe

RIP Aaron Chin

by **auch** » Sat Oct 01, 2005 7:49 pm

sorry avinesh i thought you mentioned teg type r. the gsr b18 engine equiped teg is alot slower than a bzr but one significant advantage is that the gsr teg can be equiped with a turbo kit with ease and without any major engine complications aside from in need of a set of higher flowing injectors and it will surely land on the 13's consistently provided that there is traction.

by **CEvans** » Sat Oct 01, 2005 7:57 pm

avinesh wrote:
CEvans wrote:oh and it was my first ever drag and i dont think my reaction speed was all that great im sure iv heard of them getting lower 14s in near stock form.

ok so are bz-r's faster then sir-g integra's (1.8 vtec) coz my brothers 96 integra sir-g does a 14.9 with intake, exhust and lsd gear box.

yes they surely are have raced a couple not by alot but did beat them. a type r integra would deffinatly beat a bzr tho with clamied 200hp factory.the bzr also has a lsd gearbox.

by **avinesh** » Sat Oct 01, 2005 8:27 pm

CEvans wrote:
avinesh wrote:
CEvans wrote:oh and it was my first ever drag and i dont think my reaction speed was all that great im sure iv heard of them getting lower 14s in near stock form.

ok so are bz-r's faster then sir-g integra's (1.8 vtec) coz my brothers 96 integra sir-g does a 14.9 with intake, exhust and lsd gear box.

yes they surely are have raced a couple not by alot but did beat them. a type r integra would deffinatly beat a bzr tho with clamied 200hp factory.the bzr also has a lsd gearbox.

ok thats pretty good coz b18c comes with 180hp compared to bz-g 165hp and the weight difference is like 20 kg(levin being lighter) and torque is b18c has 174.56nm and black top 20valve 4age has 161.81nm... looking at the figures the integra has 15 more horsepower has 12.75nm more torque and weighs 1100kg and the bz-r weighs 1080kg.... i thought the integra would be quicker....

by **auch** » Sun Oct 02, 2005 2:34 pm

there are other factors that will directly affect the acceleration outcome. maybe you would like to take a look at the gearing in the transmission and final drive and also the tire diameter. all of that will affect quartermile figures.

another is traction and weight transfer. being both front wheel drive it should be quite identical but wheelbase affects weight transfer and stiffer rear suspension prevents squating so i gues we will have to tack 1 section at a time to finalize the real cause

by **ROBODISCO_20v** » Sun Oct 02, 2005 2:45 pm

I think most of it comes down to the driver, I have friends with SiR Intergras with intake, exhaust & chiped ecu that run 14.4s, They piss off guys with ITR's because they're as fast if not faster than those who cant drive properly. A standard ITR with a good griver should be able to run 14.7s all day long in sock form.
I have heard of a few BZ-R's running 14.7s, I guess the 6 spd box gives them the advantage over BZ-G's & make them competitive with Integras. In my BZ-G the ratios have been changed to suit track racing by the previous owner & I am in 4th gear going over the line where as most will still be i 3rd. My friends with the SiR tegs are in 3rd pulling just under 9000rpm when crossing the line

by **auch** » Sun Oct 02, 2005 2:51 pm

i agree, reaction times win races BIG TIME. imagine if your car is a consistant 15sec (hypothetically) with a driver "A" having a consistent reaction time of .900. if it were to race a 15.5sec oponent driver "B" with a consistent .200 reaction time, even with a faster and more powerful car of driver "A", he would still loose

by **CEvans** » Sun Oct 02, 2005 3:38 pm

ok thats pretty good coz b18c comes with 180hp compared to bz-g 165hp and the weight difference is like 20 kg(levin being lighter) and torque is b18c has 174.56nm and black top 20valve 4age has 161.81nm... looking at the figures the integra has 15 more horsepower has 12.75nm more torque and weighs 1100kg and the bz-r weighs 1080kg.... i thought the integra would be quicker....

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yeah but then look at suspension setup my car has a set of trd springs and factory superstrut suspension that seems to me quiet stiff what is the suspension like in the integra ?
i wish i was able to make it to the honda vs toyota dragswhere i could have seen a few other races with the bzr vs integra and other bzrs running with different set ups.

by **CozmoNz** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 12:06 am

wtf you guys on about?

ITR MAKES 180hp odd...

a 20v makes 130odd... none of this 165 crap. thats like saying the 1GZ-FE makes 206Kw like toyota claims. HA!

id say the ITR would dick all over a bz-r. stock for stock and with same mods as bz-r.

but your all gonna disagree anyway

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by **CEvans** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 6:31 am

CozmoNz wrote:wtf you guys on about?

ITR MAKES 180hp odd...

a 20v makes 130odd... none of this 165 crap. thats like saying the 1GZ-FE makes 206Kw like toyota claims. HA!

id say the ITR would dick all over a bz-r. stock for stock and with same mods as bz-r.

but your all gonna disagree anyway .

haahaahaahaaa lol :lol:

so wot are you basing your facts on we wernt comparing a type r teg to the bzr just the standard b18c anyone have you seen or had experience in this situation if so what?

by **CozmoNz** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 2:08 pm

the fact that the honda boys can run high 13's with just a few mods.

and with massive mods the bz-r boys still arnt pushing anything near a 13

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You can disagree all you want... i dont care, im just saying, if your gonna go race type r's... you should have brought something turbo

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by **bad20v** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 3:07 pm

Cozmo, dude don't worry about it. These guys are talking mostly out their arse's. :lol:

They are trying to compare a 1600cc engine with 140Hp (realistic) against a 1800cc engine with 170Hp(realistic). These engines were never designed to compete with each other, nor were the vehicles they came in. The 4age was basically designed to compete with the B16C honda engine, and the B18C was designed for the 2ZZGE engine from the New Celica.
You have got to compare apples with apples. And its know use worrying about the weight and driveline/gearbox/lsd issues till you have the basic racing class's sorted out first. :roll:

Maybe the guy who created this thread is just a Honda Rice Boy trying to get a rise out of us Toyota guys??? Hmmmmm.....?

by **auch** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 3:20 pm

well i guess similar displacement would be a good basis for comparison but i honestly havent seen a SIR (any honda that comes equipped with b16) that had perfomed in the 14's unless it was super duper stripped with ram air and slicks.

hey dont get me wrong im not downing on b16's cause i know someone that has an all motor b16 that had ran 12.6's without a prepped track with hot n least dense air but then again its a 80% commited drag car.

MY KE70'S · by **pervert** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 3:24 pm

auch wrote:well i guess similar displacement would be a good basis for comparison but i honestly havent seen a SIR (any honda that comes equipped with b16) that had perfomed in the 14's unless it was super duper stripped with ram air and slicks.

You obviously haven't seen many SIR's be raced then... :roll:

by **Monster_Magnet** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 3:36 pm

I hate honda's but im with pervert on this one b16a's are nothing to be sneezed at and are the real competition for a 4AGE in my mind.

Same cc rating and same sort of technology involved and just like toyota they gave it way to much credit when it came to claimed factory power.

They are good to compare to each other.

by **CEvans** » Mon Oct 03, 2005 3:50 pm

Monster_Magnet wrote:I hate honda's but im with pervert on this one b16a's are nothing to be sneezed at and are the real competition for a 4AGE in my mind.

Same cc rating and same sort of technology involved and just like toyota they gave it way to much credit when it came to claimed factory power.

They are good to compare to each other.

wait on my friend had a 94 sir civil with cold air box and full exuast with extractors and beat a 1.8lvtec integra 95 model i always thought the b16 had a bit more go in the civic body.

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