Certification

[RE20]

Hello can someone please tell me the certification process? For example is the certification a fixed price that all certifiers have to charge? or is it up to the certifier to charge. Is there a fee the certifier needs to pay the government? (LTSA).

Just asking as when I took my ke20 in for a wof I was told I would need a cert for aftermarket seats and mags. The mags are understandable as they are bigger but I thought aftermarket seats were a bit much? They are recaro fishnet reclinables. My seats in my starlet are out of a gtx so they are going to need a cert as well (I asked). The seats in the starlet were professionally installed by the certifier (who checked the ke20).

What would my chances of getting a cert just for the seats at a greatly reduced price be? I mean the reason I can't get a WOF is because they changed legislation after I got my seats installed. So since they were installed professionally , and he doesnt need to check his own work do you think he would write me out a cheap cert?

Or is it pretty much $300 non neg?

I can always swap seats around for WOFs but shouldnt have to as they are completely safe and WERE legally done, now I have to get a cert just for seats for a WOF

Hope someone can help clear things up! Thanks

Edit - Things I havnt done are .. ask him this myself, I didnt think of it when I was there and during the week I don't have the time to call in, And I havn't tried my starlet for a WOF at another place. (Starlet is my daily driver, KE20 is my project. The WOF on my starlets run out so need to get that sorted asap!)

[nmemr2]

go to a different WOF place mate, that guy sounds like an arse.
i have seats and it wasnt even done professionally, (will be later) and my WOF guy hasnt said a thing apart from asking how much i paid for them

[pervert]

Yup, go to another WOF place. Seats don't need a cert as long as they bolt to the original holes with no modifications I believe, and wheels only need a cert if they increase the track width by more than 25mm I believe...

You'll be lucky to even get a cert for $300, most places are $350 plus...and it's not up for bargain...

At any rate, I have 17's on my car that should have factory 13's, and MR2 seats with chopped and re-welded rails...and I never have any problems at all...

[RE20]

You'll be lucky to even get a cert for $300, most places are $350 plus...and it's not up for bargain...

Haha thats what I was wondering Cause its only for bloody seats that HE installed BEFORE the legislation change, so considering he doesnt need to check his own work, In a perfect world he would just give me a cert for like the cost of processing! Guess thats not going to happen so will try another garage tomorow.

[pervert]

You'll be lucky to even get a cert for $300, most places are $350 plus...and it's not up for bargain...

Haha thats what I was wondering Cause its only for bloody seats that HE installed BEFORE the legislation change, so considering he doesnt need to check his own work, In a perfect world he would just give me a cert for like the cost of processing! Guess thats not going to happen so will try another garage tomorow.

I'm pretty sure when you go for a certification now, the whole car is checked over for everything, like a pink sticker WoF almost ( ), and not just the seats...hence why it is a fixed price now...

[RE20]

I'll go to a garage tomorow, if that fails then swap swap over the weekend I guess! My original seats are far to crap .. although I did find out you dont need an air filter for a WOF

[AE85coupe]

i'm surprsied the dork didn't notice it has a 4k in it not the original 3k (or 2k?)

that needs a cert hahaha

definately take it elsewhere bro, guy sounds like a chode

are they the same wheels as jase had on it originally? cause jase went to toyota and got the wheel specifications to prove they were not too much bigger than standard, should see if he still has the paper work proving it

[Fraud]

Well, it is a tricky one.
For the wheels, if it increases the track width by a certain percent and/or the rolling diameter of the wheel by a certain percent you require a certification. (sorry, can't remember the percent figure )
Don't worry about the track width so much, because unless the WOF guy has factory specifications of the track width he can't prove that it requires a cert.
For the rolling diameter however, just check with one of your standard wheels, and if the new mags are bout same hieght/a cm taller there won't be an issue with that.
Yes perv you're right about the seats, as long as they are not fixed back seats in a two door car, and they use standard chassis mounts (no mods to the holes/bolts) there shouldn't be an issue either.
It should be a fixed amount for the cert (I paid $375 ) regardless of how many mods.
I agree though, with the minimal mods you've done I think you should just go to another WOF guy.....

[RE20]

haha nah no mention of engine Yep they are the ROH ones. Well I'll try get the starlet in tomorow. I'll post progress! The 20 needs a little more work first haha. Thanks for the replys

[l1ttle_d3vil]

did the mounting points and where the seatbelt is mounted have to be changed for the new seats? if they bolted straight in I don't see why they need certs.

[RE20]

Seatbelt mounts the same, seats needed mount modifing (professionally done) , in my 20 its the same but havnt looked at how the seats were fitted.

[Cahuna]

The Low Volume Vehicle Technical Association have a website at http://www.lvvta.org.nz, it includes documents and FAQs about what changes require certification and which are okay.

The low volume cert inspection is only to check modifications that are outside the norm, it is not a full WOF inspection. I had a cert done in my rally car about 3 weeks ago, cost approx $375 and took around 1/2 hour to do. I explained everything that I had changed that I thought needed certifying, the person checking the car asked leading questions about how I had done certain work on the car (and whether certain parts were original or modified etc) and only checked those things that were outside the WOF specification.

If in doubt give a certifier near you a call and discuss the mods you have made to find out if it needs certifying or not.

[TRD CHICK]

ok, im gonna add stuff here too, just cos i can... mate of mine works at a mechanics as a mechanic, they do certs there, but he doenst do them himself.

he had a ke20, (12a bridge port) had 17's and race seats as well as engine conversion (obviously)

hes done like 10 + engine convetsion etc in his time

he went thru his cert at his work, paid the $300 like every other person does that wants a cert from there,

he had to get his race seats certed, becuase he had to change the mounts etc, he even failed the first time beuase there was a bung the size of a 50 cent coin missing from the firewall, but understandable...

also becuase the heater didnt work, he just took it out, but, thats not allowed, he had to have it in to be able to de mist the windscreen, also the window squirters had to go as well...

so if you change ure seats each time u wanna get your warrant, what happens when u get pulled over bya cop adn they ask to see your cert, but no where on there does it say ure certed for race seats???

from past mates experiecnes, you seem to be lucky to only have to sort seats out to be able to get a cert...

and also if you get a cert, then decide to do something different later on, i.e another mod that needs certifying, you still ahve to go back and get that one thing certified, and pay another $300... so asking to get a discount cos the guy did it himself prolly wouldnt work...


also you gotta remember, people that do warrants / certs arent just there to take your money and piss u around for not doing things correctly...
if they give u a warrant for having standard 13" weels with good tread and then the next day u go put ure 17's with bald tyres on, go out, race someone, kil ureslef adn say another person, the police are going to go to that place u got your warrant and question them for giving the car a warrant when it had bald tyres on it arent they..? they really only pick things up like that to cover their own backsm and for your safety!!!
thats my 2 cents anyway... (please note, this is only speaking from past experience)

[AE85coupe]

for starters his wheels are not 17 inch or bald

they are 14inch with near new tyres

and its a 4k ke20 so he isn't gonna be racing anyone in a hurry

$&#$% paying $300 to cert seats that are in fact perfectly safe

i doubt the police will go to the trouble of checking if your seats have modified mounts, and then saying you need a cert for that

not all of us have $300 in our back pockets (elevate is a poor student)

i would not get a cert until everything you want to do is done, so your not paying $300 everytime you do a different mod

christ my car would have cost me $1200 at least to cert if that was the case

[Santa'sBoostinSleigh]

seats:
the legislation states that aftermarket seats do not require a cert if they are from a reputable (SP?) manufacturer, fit to factory mounts and no air bags are fitted to that seating position

certs are a fixed price for up to 3 mods, then an additional price per additional mod
i was quoted $350+gst, then $25+gst per additional mod

check it out on the LVVTA website posted earlier

[Santa'sBoostinSleigh]

also if you legally need a cert, and you dont have one, you wont get paid out on your insurance if you make a claim....

EDITED

[wde_bdy]

also if you legally need a cert, and you dont have one, you wont get insurance....

No, you can get insurance.

You just won't get paid if you try to make a claim.

[Stealer Of Souls]

Time to add my 2c about my cert experiences...

The Cert should be the same price regardless of the number of mods...
When I went for mine they checked the whole vehicle in general to satisfy it's integrity...
And it didn't matter how many things were getting certed I got charged one price.

Yeah. And I agree with what's been said about the seats/wheels.
Wheels shouldn't need certing unless they increase the track (don't know the limit, but I think it's about 25mm), or use adaptors. As a bonus, when you go for cert the wheels will be noted anyways on the cert.
The seats should only need a cert if it uses modified mounts (I believe this applies to either modifications to the seat, or to the car), changes the seatbelt anchor points, or an airbag is fitted in the seating position. Professionally done or not, if the seats been modified, it should have a cert.

That's my understanding, and my experiences so far...

[Alaina]

I have paid $260 to certify lowered springs and then I have paid $280 for adjustable suspension. He also certifies everything at the same time....

[RE20]

I have paid $260 to certify lowered springs and then I have paid $280 for adjustable suspension. He also certifies everything at the same time....

Why did you need to cert lowered springs? was it below 100mm? Thats pretty low!