Sliding a gt4?

[ben]

What's the trick to getting power oversteer in a st185?

I was just wondering if there is any pitfalls to be wary of - I've heard stories of the gt4 centre diff doing weird things when under stress (randomly changing from fwd to rwd etc) and I'd like to have know a bit about what I'm doing before I get on the track and try.

Is it just a case of turning in as hard as you can without understeering and then punching the gas? My car has been lowered BTW.

[mr pad]

gravel.

gt4's tend to understeer, but its all about weight shifting.

[CozmoNz]

as said, you have all that weight , heavy breaking into the corner might get enough weight to the front coupled with some good steering work....

i thought gt-4's were 5050 fulltime?

its not a drift car though :S

[Adydas]

the 165 i nailed it in the wet doing a u turn.. arse went skidding out just like a RWD.. down side was i was expecting it to plow.. so my actions to cover it were poor..

But i dare say as was said gravel would be best.. in saying that.. im not going to be trying.. ( unless the gravel roads were Airplane Runway width.

[Fraud]

If you've watched 'drift bible' DVD take some tips out of there. Try 'feinting' or 'lifting off'. I would think those two concepts would work.

[Ako]

If its anything like my VR4's have all been - Stiff suspension, excess power, and like you said - full throttle when you just shouldn't. For 4WD's they were damn tail happy cars.

Punch the clutch if you're feeling crafty

[mr pad]

Punch the clutch if you're feeling crafty

Haha nasty.

[RomanV]

I wouldnt try to make it oversteer with power only, you'd just ruin your transmission.

There's always the handbrake.

Come up to a corner at a reasonable pace, with your foot on the gas. quickly turn away from the corner, then flick the steering wheel back the other way, into the corner, while letting your foot off the gas. Get your foot back on the gas, and countersteer the oversteer, try not to hit anything.

I'd practice on gravel first, much more forgiving.

My starlet is FAR too easy to get sideways....
Its incredibly forgiving, but incredibly easy to get crossed up.

If you change down a gear without rev matching well enough, it just locks up the whole rear end momentarily.

[AJz]

just weight shift it like RomanV said, practice on a gravel road,

hell i can get fully sideways in my fwd celica , i knew there was an advantage driving something with a fat ass

[RomanV]

My old AE92 corolla sedan used to get its fair share of sideways action, with weight shift alone.
It was FWD, so I didnt really have any other choices.

Its pretty easy, once you get the hang of it.
But yeah, practicing on gravel first is the way to go.

[mr pad]

My old AE92 corolla sedan.

Yeah was quite easy to get the back out in my old ae92...

Also kp's are great fun to get loose in, gear locking is choice.

[GT4 20]

Get a stiffer rear sway bar. Whiteline do an off the shelf item for the 4.
Gary

[Malcolm]

stripping the car will also help to no end
even with really good semi-race rubber mine would oversteer under power once I stripped it, but that was with quite a bit more power than you would have ATM, so if you have average tyres and strip it you should get similar results
wet weather also makes it very easy, the trick is to put the power down when it's already turning, rather than putting your foot down and then turning, this will just make it understeer

[Hotgt4]

Put nankangs on the back, but be wary, cause it will go in a split second.

[CozmoNz]

bugger off, put kellys on the back Hell, put kellys all around, make ya look like you have 500hp smoke everywhere lol.

[Leon]

You're coming to the autocross on Sunday, you'll find out then I assure you

[mr pad]

bugger off, put kellys on the back Hell, put kellys all around, make ya look like you have 500hp smoke everywhere lol.

Kellys rule. FOR HOMOS OMG LOL JOKE.

[CozmoNz]

kellys = teh shiz.

made the cynos look like it had power

[Akane]

None of the above mentioned techniques will do you any good on a proper dry road, the ST185 is equipped with a torsen LSD, which is notorious to be able to "hold a drift".

Yes you can "fang it and make it sideways", but trying to get it to "hold" a drift is difficult, since drifting will make the LSD go "huh wtf I meant to apply power to the wheel with most grip, but but, that's the inside wheel! oh wait, outside wheel, oh wait, inside wheel, omg wtf's going on?!!?!"

[RedMist]

If you could replace the Viscous then you may be able to get a very bad drift out of that elephant. However the Viscous makes it very very hard to predict exactly where the car will put power. The GT4 will naturally push and it will take a hell of a throw to get the arse end out. In ALL GT$ based rally cars the center diff is always replaced.