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[Mr Revhead]

they could be silvertop rods...

stick with what you have

[RedMist]

You're adding weight with little advantage. Silvertop rods should suffice if properly prepped.

[BZR4AGE]

thx guys~ i just spend some money getting 440cc side feed injectors, and i will be getting some silvertop rods on my next payday from work.

btw, when i get the silvertop rods, i am planning to send them to kelford to balance them and check them, or is there any other place in Auckland tht can do that for me??? How much will i be looking at?

thanks alot guys for your advice aye. very helpful information

[Vertigo]

about the head work. I am someone had adivce me to go to A1 Turbo in North Shore. Becoz i live in Auckland. People say they are good, and familiar with the 20V. http://www.a1turbos.co.nz/. What do you think?

lol no shit! thats my brother!

[suberimakuri]

A1 turbo's can definitely do a mean link tune.

[RedMist]

thx guys~ i just spend some money getting 440cc side feed injectors, and i will be getting some silvertop rods on my next payday from work.

I continue to use standard 20 valve injectors. I had two sets flow tested and a set of 4 matched. They all came out at around 315cc / min which should suffice for 225 odd hp at 85% injector duraiton. The smaller injectors mean a finer spray for a longer period of time, which in turn should give you a better atomised fuel mix, and again more HP. For batch fire systems, such as the LEM you want to have the injector open as long as possible without burning out the injector.
If you are planning on exceeding the 225bhp mark, which is a good ask!, I'd simply up the fuel pressure.

Would be interesting to know the spec's of cams and pistons. A reasonably accurate estimate of HP could be made on that basis.

[BZR4AGE]

hahah, wished you replied me earlier red mist, too late now, the money's been transfer........o well, i guess i will ask A1 Turbo when i see them when a get a day off work.

If the new 3SGTE injectors are too much for my setup, i guess i will re-sell them. o well. thx anyway redmist.

[BZR4AGE]

btw redmist, i have stated the specs of the setup in eariler post. check them out and give me a rough estimate of power aye.

1) 11.8 compression 82mm forged piston kit
2) 272 intake 9mm camshaft
3) 264 exhaust 9mm camshaft
4) uprated valve springs
5) In and Ex adjustable Cam gears
6) 440cc 3SGTE side feed injectors

Planning to get:
silver top rods and balanced and prep
Link LEM ecu
TRD or Toda Head gasket (0.8mm) Just waiting for my mate from Japan to mail it to me

Already in car:
HKS cat back exhaust
HKS air filter
Toda lightweight Flywheel
TRD sports clutch and pressure plate (not the pluck type)
TRD short shift
Pivot Voltage Stabilizer
HKS Circle Earth System
TRD adjustable coilovers

Future exterior mods:
A new Bomex front kit - haha, don't like the (TRD STYLE) i have now
Carbon fibre Bonnet
Full repaint of exterior of car in Black and copper flakes (instead of the factory Silver flakes)
de- spoiler or a TRD spolier


Hoping one day it will be worthy for Performance car Mags....hahaha, always dream about being on it aye.

[RedMist]

The cams and compression are reasonably mild (remember I run full race) I would guess 160bhp at the wheels. (depending on dyno)

[BZR4AGE]

heheheh. i am happy with tht aye. because if it was a full race thing, then low end torque will be pretty bad. Thx red mist

[10k 20v]

I doubt you'll loose much low end torque. I didn't and i was running larger cams than that.

And to your superstrut question.
Ae111 lower a arms, hubs, stuts and you'll need to make a little L bracket to attach the sway bar or get an adjustable swaybar link. Don't forget, if you have abs you'll need to get abs hubs too.
But if it's only street and occasional track use i wouldn't bother changing. It's a good little setup when there's no play in the joints.
The only real gain is reducing unsprung weight.

[BZR4AGE]

hey, thx for tht 10k 20v. i was just trying to figure out if its worth changing back to non- superstrut, coz there are a lot more non-superstrut coilovers to choose from (cusco, buddy club, jic...etc.) coz my TRD ones are getting a bit worn...but i guess is time for me to buy a set of brand new TRD superstrut set end of next year.

[RedMist]

I doubt you'll loose much low end torque. I didn't and i was running larger cams than that.

Weren't those cams considerably less duration and lift than was spec'ed to you?

BZR, don't forget that these engines are all about 1 or 2 hp. Ensure everything is as perfect as you can possibly make it. Fugg up just a few times and you're well down on expected HP.

[BZR4AGE]

yep red mist, thts why i am having everything probably prepared before i start, and i dun mind spending lots in putting the gear in the engine - coz i am picky and wants it to be perfect. thts why i am going to A1 Turbo. i am sure they will do a good job for me.

[CozmoNz]

what extractors are you using? the honda boys can net 7-15hp from extractors alone... and id say with that setup, stock ones might be a bit restrictive..

well... at that one little point .

[Mr Revhead]

20v exhausts have been covered plenty of times.
use blacktop extractors and replace the part over the subframe. other than that theres nothng else that needs doing.
you wont get 7-15hp from extracorts alone on a 20v the stock ones are pretty good

[10k 20v]

I doubt you'll loose much low end torque. I didn't and i was running larger cams than that.

Weren't those cams considerably less duration and lift than was spec'ed to you?

BZR, don't forget that these engines are all about 1 or 2 hp. Ensure everything is as perfect as you can possibly make it. Fugg up just a few times and you're well down on expected HP.

as i learnt the hard way, but also one of the best ways i guess.

duration was 230 at 50 thou 9.1mm lift intake, advertised duration of 285
240 at 50 thou 8.9mm lift exhaust, advertised duration of 304

acesniper now has these cams, we shall see how he get on with them

[Grrrrrrr!]

Redmist and 10K 20v, Can either of you recommend a good place to go for cams? CSL, Franklin and Kelfords are the three i know of, any horror stories or high praise for any of them?

Not looking at a custom grind, just one of there standard grinds, looking at spending max $1k for 20v cams.

[10k 20v]

If i was buying cams in nz i would go to kelfords. But in saying that i'd still shop around and get as much advice and research the whole thing as much as you can before giving anyone your hard earned cash.
I wouldn't give either of them high priase.

[RedMist]

I was considering Kelford mistery sticks. However with the price you can currently get from fourty one for Toda I think you would be silly not to go that route.
Kelford certainly make a good cam, however spending an extra few hundred for the thousands in Toda R and D is well worth while IMHO.