205/55R15 Tyre Recomendations

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205/55R15 Tyre Recomendations

Postby Corona » Wed Nov 30, 2005 9:44 pm

Hi All.

I am in need of some new tyres in the next few weeks, and would like some feedback on the replacement that I need.

I have been looking on the net (and here as well) to see what is avaliable and I have come up with the following. I do not know if they are all avaliable here, or are made in 15", but they seem to be nice.

Toyo Proxes T1-R
Goodyear Eagle F1 GSD3
Michelin Pilot Sport

My driving style is not too agressive, but I do drive a bit spirited at times (when conditions allow ;) ) They will be connected to my ST191, with its 3S-GTE conversion that I did earlier this year (So need to be able to handle some power at times)
What I am looking for is something that is low in noise (I would rather listen to the stereo than the road), Something that handles good in the wet and dry, and something that lasts a long time.
I am curently using some Dunlop Direzzas on the front, and they do not seem to have lasted very long, so would like to avoid them.

What are peoples recomendations on what I should get.

Also, who/where is a good supplier, and a place to get a alignment done for the new rubber?

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Postby AJz » Wed Nov 30, 2005 9:51 pm

GSD-3's

once worn in (after 500+ k's or so) they are awesome. If you require to launch in the wet, they will light up for a fraction of a second and then throw your head into the headrest. 8)

Dry grip is even more impressive. Def a good all weather tire if you hav the dosh.
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Postby fuel » Wed Nov 30, 2005 10:27 pm

I would go for a 195/60 R15 over a 205/55 R15 personally - as it gives you a better range of tires - usually at much better prices too.
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Postby gt-trainer » Thu Dec 01, 2005 10:36 am

Well i have just got GSD3's and they are quite a nice ride and grip well, probably better when done a few more k's, road noise is very good considering the tread pattern and for the money nothing seems comparable. Cant give much on life of these obviously.
For what its worth they are on sellout sale at present expect to pay about $200 each fitted.
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Postby Corona » Thu Dec 01, 2005 10:08 pm

Anybody recomend a good place to get some tyres fitted?
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Postby Mr Revhead » Thu Dec 01, 2005 10:56 pm

for his car 195 would be too small id say.. id even go bigger...

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Postby Corona » Fri Dec 02, 2005 11:48 pm

Ye, dont want the 195, the 205 hold better on the road for my size car, so would prefere them. Would consider going to a 50R15 tho....

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Postby B1NZ » Sat Dec 03, 2005 9:54 am

fm 901 (if theres any left) or DZ101, but i've heard the toyos are quite good and are real cheap
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Postby 10k 20v » Mon Dec 05, 2005 8:50 pm

i run the toyo's on my legacy and i'm quite impressed with them. Very good wet weather grip. The gsd3's tend to wear the sidewalls very quickly wearass the toyo is wearing perfectly evenly.
I have a mate who has a v8 wrx sti with gsd3's fitted while i run the t1-r on a bg5 twin turbo wagon and the cars are almost at a par. (in the rain :D )
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Postby deaf_rattle » Mon Dec 05, 2005 9:36 pm

grid3s are very good
my01s i would shy away from with front wheel drive, however they are fairly good otherwise
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Postby soven » Mon Dec 05, 2005 9:43 pm

I run the DZ101 same size. I find that it is not as good as it used to be in the rain. This is after 10,000kms usage
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Postby SCK » Mon Dec 05, 2005 11:11 pm

I was on the Goodyear Eagle F1 GSD3's and got about 40,000km out of them, good point - fantasic grip in traction and cornering both wet and dry, bad point - high road noise.
I recently changed to Falken Azenis ST115's, good point - low road noise, acceptable grip in the wet, bad point - poor feel and traction, feel 'squirmy'.
I will go back to the Eagles next time, even if they are a bit dearer.

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Postby Perky » Tue Dec 06, 2005 1:07 am

Hi Corona,

I just went through this myself and did a lot of research -- mainly reading through magazine tests. I think that dealer recommendations and anecdotal reports from users are interesting but of limited value in comparing different tyres. The tests by various magazines (and the German AA) are at least objective, though still open to interpretation -- so this is just my take on them.

The Goodyear GS-D3 does indeed have the most impressive test results, especially taking price into account, but unfortunately it is not available in 15" (edit: actually there are a couple -- see below). The Michelin doesn't come in this size either. In fact, there are not many performance tyres available for 15" wheels, even in other widths.

I ended up getting the Direzzas, which come out pretty well in tests, so I'm disappointed to hear that you are unhappy with the wear. The tyre dealers I spoke to seemed to think that any tyres in this class are likely to wear more quickly than non-performance tyres. So far I am very pleased with them.

The Toyo T1-R is available in 205/55R15 and did well in Wheels magazine's 2005 test -- performing a bit better than the Direzza. They are, however, about $40-60 per tyre more expensive. Their predecessor, the T1-S, got some good results in one test ('EVO' '02) and some not quite so good results in others (e.g. 'Motor' '03). In Autocar's 2003 test, they tested a second set as a control and got such dramatically different figures that they disqualified them from the comparison -- so consistency may be an issue. FWIW the T1-S also seems to have a reputation for wearing out quickly. On the other hand, the T1-R is one of the newest tyres available in this size and, according to Toyo, is a big improvement. Personally I'd probably have gone for these if they weren't more expensive than the Dunlops.

Other tyres available in this size:

BF Goodrich G-Force Sport: Like the Direzza, a fairly new design which performs as well, if not better, in tests and is about the same price. I was going to get these until I got a good deal on some near-new Direzzas.

Goodyear NCT5: The same price as the Direzza but a couple of dealers suggested that they would wear and ride better. (The Direzzas seem to ride better than my previous non-performance tyres.) Goodyear do not classify these as performance tyres but in Wheels magazine's 2004 test they did quite well. In fact, they rated about the same as Bridgestone's Grid 3 performance tyre -- but not quite as well as the Direzza or G-Force. The German AA (actually ADAC) marked them down for their aquaplaning performance. The other magazines don't test this so it's hard to compare, but it could be that they suffer for not being directional.

Bridgestone Potenza Grid 3: These are popular recommendations on this list and did well in the tests -- in particular they seem very well balanced. However, since they performed only as well as the NCT5 yet cost as much as the Toyos, I'd only consider them if you got a very good deal.

Pirelli 6000: Another tyre that is not specifically touted as a performance tyre. I don't have any test of it but I expect that it is in the same class as the NCT5 or Grid 3. In this size, however, it is a bit cheaper - which surprised me.

Hankook Ventus K102: Hankook's K104 seems to be a real performance bargain but unfortunately doesn't come in this size. The K102 has okay performance figures, especially braking, but wasn't particularly liked by the 'Motor' magazine tester. This was in comparison to some pretty good tyres though. FWIW they really like them over on the Falcon Turbo newsgroup :wink: My previous tyres were lower rated Hankooks and they really weren't bad, so if you're on a budget I expect these are fine -- you can get them for about $100 a tyre. (Note that the Kingstar K106 is a lower rated tyre.)

I didn't check whether Yokohama's V-102A or C.Drive are available in this size. In Wheels's '05 test the former performed about as well as the Toyo (it did even better in the '04 test!) and the latter about as well as the Grid 3, but I would guess that they are more expensive. Falken and Kumho also make good tyres but seem to have priced themselves out of this market.

Anyway, I hope this is helpful. I dare say someone will charge that this is all rubbish since I got it out of magazines and everyone knows that X is crap and Y is the best, but it is very difficult to get good consumer information on this issue. The tests I have mentioned have at least attempted to make objective comparisons.

As for dealers, if price is important to you it is worth ringing around. This is a pain but prices vary considerably. In Wellington I was impressed with Tony's Tyres, who really do seem serious about undercutting the opposition -- and they have free puncture repair. Of course, you first have to collect quotes from the opposition.
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Postby RAZA » Wed Dec 07, 2005 5:38 pm

I have the Potenza's on my car in 205 15s and have been pretty happy with them.

I've heard a few people running them down but I've driven on quite a lot of different tyres and would rate the potenza grid 3's well up there. They perform well wet and dry and I've had just over 30 thousand k's out of them and they still have some left which is unusual for me.

I've also had the toyo's you mention and found them to be pretty good, although the wear wasn't brilliant.
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Postby Adamal » Wed Dec 07, 2005 6:27 pm

I would recommend you DON'T get GT Radials.
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Postby RomanV » Wed Dec 07, 2005 7:28 pm

Ive also found the potenza G3's to be bloody good. 8)
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Postby RAZA » Wed Dec 07, 2005 7:51 pm

The other thing is to remember that often when you ask peoples opinion they will bag a tyre and tell you that its no good, when in actual fact its been that their car had its wheels out of alignment or something.

Or that someone bought a car with a worn set of one type of tyre on it, used it for a while, then replaced the tyres with new ones of a different type and then charges around telling everyone how crap the first ones they had were and how great the second set was, when actually they were very similar.
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Postby AJz » Wed Dec 07, 2005 8:05 pm

Perky, are you sure that is correct about the GSD-3's not coming in 15"

my mate has a brand new set of GSD-3 195/50/15's on his car. I was there helping him choose so im certain they are that size. Mabey the tire dealer was telling mincy pies :P
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Postby 10k 20v » Wed Dec 07, 2005 9:46 pm

we fitted a set of 195/50/15 to a customers mr2 (aw=11)
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Postby Perky » Thu Dec 08, 2005 12:33 am

Sorry about the misleading info on the Goodyears -- my memory was at fault. Many 'high-performance' tyres are not available at all for 15" wheels, but there are two 15" GSD-3s: 195/45 and 195/50 -- according to Goodyear's website. Unfortunately they are not available in 205/55R15.

For those fans of the Grid-3s, they did very well in the tests I've seen and I have no doubt that they are excellent tyres. My only comment against them is that the prices I was quoted for them were higher than for tyres that did as well or better. YMMV and I should note that these tests could not take wear into account. Firestone have some sort of sale on at the moment -- I don't know if it includes the Grid 3s.

Note also that if you are looking for tyres in sizes other than 205/55R15, then there may be more options and price comparisons may work out different.

I expect that Adamal is right about GT Radial but these things change fast. I think that many of these newer Asian brands (such as GT Radial, Nankang, Federal, Sumitomo, Firenza) are in the same position that companies like Falken, Kumho and Toyo were a few years ago -- eager to take the big names on for price. Some of them are large companies with plenty of research resources and maybe technology or manufacturing links with more up-market brands. Any of them might be the next performance bargain.
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