20v conversion gone wrong help!!!!!!

[matt9ball]

Posted: Thu Dec 01, 2005 11:58 am Post subject: advancing and retarding problem on 20v!!!!

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Hey guys i was woundering if some 1 can help me out with my little problem>>>

i just recently got a conversion into my ae111 toyota trueno 4 a 20valve silver top!!!! but its not running properly its not advancing or retarding properly so i cant drive it to we work whats the problem help me guys????????!!!!!!!!

[Punter]

Some more info would be nice... what does it actually do... what combination of parts you running.

[Brick]

my old b/t 4age wudnt do that either, it was either one tooth to far being at 20deg or retarded, found out later after engine f**ked out it was a plug not connected

[Malcolm]

are you bridging TE1 and E1 to try and set the timing?

[sergei]

are you using any parts off black top on silvertop?
for example the cam belt bottom pulley is different (key wise) on b/t from s/t...

[l1ttle_d3vil]

are you bridging TE1 and E1 to try and set the timing?

why do you ask that? are you meant to do that? or NOT meant to do it?

brick: what plug was disconnected on your engine??

and matt9ball if you can give me a bit more info on exactly what the car is doing, what its running like etc we may be able to help you. my bluetop was doing similar thigns but I think i've finally fixed it lastnight...maybe.

[Malcolm]

you're meant to do it. puts ecu into diagnostic mode and stops it trying to constantly correct the timing while you're trying to adjust it

also sometimes the TE1 pin is labelled T1 - and in either case, the terminals are found in the diagnostic connector

[matt9ball]

No it does not have any black top parts in it. It is all silver top. It idles fine but when it revs up it coughs and sputters and jumps. It is in Elite Auto Electronics at the moment and hopefuly they know what they are doing.

[matt9ball]

they r telling me it might be a ecu fault!!!!

[l1ttle_d3vil]

also sometimes the TE1 pin is labelled T1 - and in either case, the terminals are found in the diagnostic connector

ohhh, that helps me lots. i'll try that when I get home! cheers

[Loudtoy]

they r telling me it might be a ecu fault!!!!

Ask them if they have checked the diagnostics codes then, seen quite a few supposed experts say, hmm thats an ecu fault so chuck a new (second hand) ecu at the car and find it does exactly the same thing - you sure your fuel lines etc are all big enough - coughs and splutters when you put your foot down can sometimes mean not enough fuel getting in there, or low rail pressure maybe??

[matt9ball]

yeah pretty sure fuel lines are big enough....had a 4afe in it before.yeah thats the problem all these so called experts alot of them no sh#! and waste your $$$$$ for pretending they no how to fix your car!!!

[matt9ball]

and the last guys checked the codes an aparantly they all good!!!!!!

[l1ttle_d3vil]

when you say its not advancing or retarding properly, do you mean not at all? or going the wrong way when you give it gas or something?

check your coil/ignitor and also the distributor. is the loom all standard/uncut? do you know for sure that all the important parts on the engine are working OK or are they second hand parts which have been sitting in someones shed for awhile?

does it backfire at all? if yes, is it out of the exhaust or the inlet manifold?

I'm pretty sure ive finally fixed my 4age bluetop (put into a ke35) tonight after having the same problem as you (among about 20,000 others). been working on it for the last year and ive replaced nearly everything on it.

basically it wouldn't start consistently, sometimes it wasn't even driveable or it wouldn't idle, other times it would run perfect. before that it kept running really rich. then just recently i noticed the timing was all over the place, and it would go the wrong way when I put the throttle down (advance instead of retard, or vice versa I always get confused with the two!)

[matt9ball]

yeah they are second hand parts out a 101 was working fine in that!!!yeah when u give it gas it goes the wrong way!!!and found out today the guy who wired it wired the oxygen sensor up wrong!!!!!an failed to connect other things!!!!!