Cops always right

[barryogen]

The same thing happened to me, on my second speeding ticket I swore I was doing far less than the posted speed limit but was caught doing 114. I went and got the speedo tested and it was way off, I sent the evidence off and I got a letter sent back stating the fine would remain payable.

as it should have, your car was faulty.

But therefore it was something out of my control.

as out of your control as a bald tyre.

I did not know I was speeding, so legally they should have taken back the ticket.

thats like killing someone, and saying that because you didn't know they were dead you are not at fault. it's a screwed logic.

[Santa'sBoostinSleigh]

so in other words are you saying if i closed my eyes and went thru a red traffic light i wouldnt get a fine.....

or if i shot someone that was wearing a bear suit i wouldnt get done for manslaughter?

[barryogen]

It states something like this: When there is reasonable evidence to show that the questioned person was not aware of his actions being wrong then they are entitled to an exonaration.

That is the old law and has since being repealed but the new one is the same just written differently.

ignorance of the law is no excuse.

[ollieboy]

The same thing happened to me, on my second speeding ticket I swore I was doing far less than the posted speed limit but was caught doing 114. I went and got the speedo tested and it was way off, I sent the evidence off and I got a letter sent back stating the fine would remain payable.

as it should have, your car was faulty.

But therefore it was something out of my control.

as out of your control as a bald tyre.

I did not know I was speeding, so legally they should have taken back the ticket.

thats like killing someone, and saying that because you didn't know they were dead you are not at fault. it's a screwed logic.

It was out of my control because when I purchased the car one week before I did not know it had a faulty speedo, there was no way to know I had a faulty speedo. This is how it is out of my control.

You can't compare this to murder because it is nothing like murder.

[GTCRSHR]

It was out of my control because when I purchased the car one week before I did not know it had a faulty speedo, there was no way to know I had a faulty speedo. This is how it is out of my control.

You can't compare this to murder because it is nothing like murder.

YOU bought the car YOU should have had it all checked out...

[ollieboy]

It states something like this: When there is reasonable evidence to show that the questioned person was not aware of his actions being wrong then they are entitled to an exonaration.

That is the old law and has since being repealed but the new one is the same just written differently.

ignorance of the law is no excuse.

It is not ignorance, that law only applies to speeding offences and that extract is for people who genuinely were not at fault.

This is used in situations such as the following:
A speed change is not signposted correctly
A speed change sign is hidden by plants
A drivers car is at fault

[ollieboy]

It was out of my control because when I purchased the car one week before I did not know it had a faulty speedo, there was no way to know I had a faulty speedo. This is how it is out of my control.

You can't compare this to murder because it is nothing like murder.

YOU bought the car YOU should have had it all checked out...

It was checked out, an AA inspection actually and they checked to see if the speedo worked but they don't have to check if it is accurate.

[Dell'Orto]

Oh what bullshit, those of you who are telling him he ought to check his speedo calibration - how often do YOU have yours calibrated? Simple fact is, people dont bother. Why should we, its a factory part of the car that isnt (as such) tampered with.
Yes putting on bigger wheels changes this, most people know that and compensate.
But assuming the car was as it left the factory, why would you bother?

[barryogen]

It was out of my control because when I purchased the car one week before I did not know it had a faulty speedo, there was no way to know I had a faulty speedo. This is how it is out of my control.

You can't compare this to murder because it is nothing like murder.

YOU bought the car YOU should have had it all checked out...

It was checked out, an AA inspection actually and they checked to see if the speedo worked but they don't have to check if it is accurate.

heh, I would have taken the ticket to the AA and said it's your fault, pay it.

if you can give me the name of the law, and the clauses, I'll look it up, scan it, and post a link, until then I'll leave it, as we're just going to disagree with each other.

[ollieboy]

Oh what bullshit, those of you who are telling him he ought to check his speedo calibration - how often do YOU have yours calibrated? Simple fact is, people dont bother. Why should we, its a factory part of the car that isnt (as such) tampered with.
Yes putting on bigger wheels changes this, most people know that and compensate.
But assuming the car was as it left the factory, why would you bother?

Thanks man, yes it was factory, the guy at the speedo testing place said it could have had a new gearbox once that would change it.

[barryogen]

Oh what bullshit, those of you who are telling him he ought to check his speedo calibration - how often do YOU have yours calibrated? Simple fact is, people dont bother. Why should we, its a factory part of the car that isnt (as such) tampered with.
Yes putting on bigger wheels changes this, most people know that and compensate.
But assuming the car was as it left the factory, why would you bother?

Thanks man, yes it was factory, the guy at the speedo testing place said it could have had a new gearbox once that would change it.

I'm not saying to check it, just that if it is faulty, it is still his responsability. If I drove around "unknowingly" on tyres down to the wire, and slid into something, I would still be at fault, it wouldn't matter if I wasn't aware of it.

There are very few clauses to let you off laws, and ignorance of the problem isn't(usually) one of them, although willing to be proven wrong.

[muff|n]

Sorry if it's not true Santa, just heard it on some radio station.. I think it was Classic Hits?

( No I don't listen to that crap! But my old work place did )

[EVL GSXR]

Oh what bullshit, those of you who are telling him he ought to check his speedo calibration - how often do YOU have yours calibrated? Simple fact is, people dont bother. Why should we, its a factory part of the car that isnt (as such) tampered with.
Yes putting on bigger wheels changes this, most people know that and compensate.
But assuming the car was as it left the factory, why would you bother?

I agree with you there fella.. How was he suppose to know his speedo was out?? May be if it was out and he hadn't done anything about it fair enough should have gotten the ticket but if he had no idea the speedo was out then why flame the guy??
I will admit I never have had a Speedo Calibrated even after fitting 18's to my car's I usually adjust my speed to what I think would be the speed limit and must of worked cause never had a speeding ticket..

[Dell'Orto]

I'm not saying to check it, just that if it is faulty, it is still his responsability. If I drove around "unknowingly" on tyres down to the wire, and slid into something, I would still be at fault, it wouldn't matter if I wasn't aware of it.

There are very few clauses to let you off laws, and ignorance of the problem isn't(usually) one of them, although willing to be proven wrong.

Thats a totally different matter, tyres are something you can easily check for wear, you cant exactly go around with a GPS unit everytime you buy a car now can you?
All I'm saying is that there is no need to bag the guy over something so trivial.

[Brick]

i have to also agree with ollieboy and disagree with you "others"
he didnt no better that he was speeding, so he couldnt help it! how was he meant to no his speedo was out and that he was speeding? I could bet my car that if one of you guys got a ticket for something that you couldnt help you would fight it and then post up here about and expect some sort of sympathy!
leave ollieboy alone cause it wasnt his fault! its just like you guys borrowing a mates car to go get say some parts for your car, and you get pulled up because the car is "stolen" so you get done for it, you didnt no so wat could you do about it.... nothing!

end of rant

[deaf_rattle]

But nothing about that was said in court you dope, all he ment was that he truested what his dad said was true.

They had proof that a radar can be in accurate in the situations of fog etc as proof and it didnt hold up?? Have you got it, or fo you want double spacing and larger font??

i see you are from dunedin, explains alot

[Si]

if the cops are always correct then why do we have a justice/court system.

[slighty_sykotic]

from 100.001-105, the officer may chose whether or not to pull you over, anything above 105 and it is no longer their choice, they must do it(something along the lines of "must do their duty to uphold the law").

It used to be 109 a few years(10-15) back from memory.

And as for the police discretion, in the North Island it is 5kph, and in the south it it 10kph. However, there was talk of changing it down here to 5kph too.

FFS, you guys talk a huge load of bullshit. You have no idea what you are talking about.

Please inform me of the page in the traffic offences "book" that says that they are only allowed to use discrestion from ethier 5km, or that bullshit idea of 5 NI and 10 SI.

Please please please, if you don't know what you are talking about, shut the hell up!

Cops can use their dicrestion right up 100.1km/h, right up to 150+ if they wish, and have good reason.

And while we are on the subject, cops do NOT have to lock you on radar/laser to give you a ticket.

--Sykotic

[Alex B]

But nothing about that was said in court you dope, all he ment was that he truested what his dad said was true.

They had proof that a radar can be in accurate in the situations of fog etc as proof and it didnt hold up?? Have you got it, or fo you want double spacing and larger font??

i see you are from dunedin, explains alot

Man that went straight to the heart

[Vertigo]

if the cops are always correct then why do we have a justice/court system.

its merely a formality, so that the public thinks they have a fair go.