Should Public Firework Sales Be Banned?

[pervert]

You dont have to pay that $55 at all, and that covers SFA of what it accualy cost to run the ambulance. I belive it cost in the rejon of $500 to ACC every time an ambulance is called out.

$55???

...aaaand the rest...

[Brick]

You dont have to pay that $55 at all, and that covers SFA of what it accualy cost to run the ambulance. I belive it cost in the rejon of $500 to ACC every time an ambulance is called out.

$55???

...aaaand the rest...

fark wen i was 16 and workin part time i was paying over $60 a week on tax!

[pervert]

No no, he means the Ambulance call out fee is only $55...

[BlakJak]

For the record a non urgent patient transfer home from hospital is $68.
I can't find a reference to it but I think an emergency ambulance run might be as much as $82, from memory...

Fire trucks obviously cost more to run and have more people involved, to start with...

[Brick]

my bad thoughts that was our tax money paying for it

[pervert]

I can't find a reference to it but I think an emergency ambulance run might be as much as $82, from memory...

That sounds more like it, I believe it has just gone up considerable too recently...so it may be much higher...

[Alex B]

ar yes, but concidering they are $130,000 worth of ambulance, + staff thats not to expensive. Plus dad works at st johns so its free for us

[bogjob_kp60]

What is to blame for the problem with fireworks and cruilty to animals? The fireworks or the people who use them to torture animals? I dont think its the fireworks fault

[3VLTOY]

People of course is where the blame should be but it's only the people who are complete idiots with them.

There are those of us who may like watching things blow up but atleast we have a lil knowledge of how to do it and if something does happen there is always a hose or something on hand to use

[cheese]

People of course is where the blame should be but it's only the people who are complete idiots with them.

yes, obviously. but where do you draw the line with what is idoitic? and by the time that they have proved that they are retards, its too late... a fire is already on fire or someone has severe burns or someones dog has been tortured.

[3VLTOY]

This true.

It is a very fine line I guess considering todays foireworks suck anyway.

Be like trying to define what is normal

[cheese]

This true.

It is a very fine line I guess considering todays foireworks suck anyway.

Be like trying to define what is normal

its like anything...guns, cars, drugs etc.. dont use them 'properly' or abuse something instead of using it moderation and ya got trouble.
fireworks causes more damages and strife than whats its worth making sure people are 100% responsible.

ie. dont ban cars just because they can help kill people because they are practical for us
dont ban (legal) drugs, they do more good they harm
but ban fireworks from the public because they do far from harm they good.

[3VLTOY]

but ban fireworks from the public because they do far from harm they good.

Fully agree with you.

They just aren't the same anymore anyway

[vhpacer]

but ban fireworks from the public because they do far from harm they good.

Fully agree with you.

They just aren't the same anymore anyway

But far more people enjoy fireworks, and are responsible with them, than people that are idiots with them. If people want fireworks banned people should vote or whatever. The NZ government doesnt care what your average joe thinks anymore, they are just following other countries. Like the smoking in pubs thing, I dont think thats entirely fair but thats a different story.

[cheese]

but ban fireworks from the public because they do far from harm they good.

Fully agree with you.

They just aren't the same anymore anyway

But far more people enjoy fireworks, and are responsible with them, than people that are idiots with them.

obviously. i wasnt saying that.
im saying. is the 1% that causes trouble/injuries/fires/heaps of taxpayers dollars worth it so that that 99% of people can have an enjoyable night with them. and as soon as i hear about defenseless animals getting tortured from the use of fireworks then i have to answer...'BAN!'...

..and as much as im against cruelty to animals im a complete hyprocrite in the fact that i still eat meat.....am looking for a substitute though.

[EVOGTX]

Think for a moment what problems prohibition (banning) has done so far with fireworks. Gone are the old crackers, double happies, tom thumbs, SKYROCKETS and somehow I think its getting worse (partly) because these have been banned cos now ppl have to make bangers and bombs to get that rush they want. Only now if they are making it they can make it as big as they want, or as powerful as they want, before you bought it all premade and only a few ppl modified them. I have witnesses pipebombs equivalent in explosive power to some of the car bombs used by militants in Iraq. I have seen ppl filling huge baloons with LPG and lighting an attatched fuse and letting the balloon rise up into the sky. That is heard all over and sounds like a petrol tanker just exploded. And were all of these prevalant before the banning of crackers and rockets? No. They were ost likely still there but very few ppl made or felt like making them cos they had ready made fireworks on hand (which are not as bad as blowing a 3m wide crater in your local beach) Total prohibiton will most likely reduce the number of incidents to a very small number, but this number will be all the seriously powerful and dangerous ones.

I wont support banning fireworks but I wont oppose it either as I will still blow stuff up (On private land, usually in the middle of nowhere) and I dont damage property or torch the neighbours dog. If I ever saw someone doing that I would shoot them without hesitation (and I dont mean with a roman candle).

My 2c

On a side topic anyone know why they are called "Roman Candles"?

[FXGTV]

Think for a moment what problems prohibition (banning) has done so far with fireworks. Gone are the old crackers, double happies, tom thumbs, SKYROCKETS and somehow I think its getting worse (partly) because these have been banned cos now ppl have to make bangers and bombs to get that rush they want. Only now if they are making it they can make it as big as they want, or as powerful as they want, before you bought it all premade and only a few ppl modified them. I have witnesses pipebombs equivalent in explosive power to some of the car bombs used by militants in Iraq. I have seen ppl filling huge baloons with LPG and lighting an attatched fuse and letting the balloon rise up into the sky. That is heard all over and sounds like a petrol tanker just exploded. And were all of these prevalant before the banning of crackers and rockets? No. They were ost likely still there but very few ppl made or felt like making them cos they had ready made fireworks on hand (which are not as bad as blowing a 3m wide crater in your local beach) Total prohibiton will most likely reduce the number of incidents to a very small number, but this number will be all the seriously powerful and dangerous ones.

I wont support banning fireworks but I wont oppose it either as I will still blow stuff up (On private land, usually in the middle of nowhere) and I dont damage property or torch the neighbours dog. If I ever saw someone doing that I would shoot them without hesitation (and I dont mean with a roman candle).

My 2c

On a side topic anyone know why they are called "Roman Candles"?

No offence man but somehow i dont think a pipe bomb made by some random would be as big as a car bomb made by militants with explosives training

[3VLTOY]

No offence man but somehow i dont think a pipe bomb made by some random would be as big as a car bomb made by militants with explosives training

This was my thought as well.
And i think that if the number of incidents was decreased most people would be happy just at that.
If those people wanted to still make shit and try blow themselves and who ever else is around then that is their own issue.
Besides if they are merely building bigger fireworks with smaller ones and you take away how easy it is to obtain such smaller fireworks then making the larger one is going to become that lil bit harder and more effort.
9 times out of 10 people are just too lazy to make the extra effort.

[EVOGTX]

You seem to be under the impression that they are building them out of other fireworks

No

Gunpowder is easier to make in large quantities than to collect from fireworks and costs way less of course.

As for the militants with explosives training, all they use is either gunpower (in copious amounts, similar to the aformentioned pipebomb) or plastic explosive (a little more difficult to make but far more stable as a finished product and packs more of a punch, just gotta try not to blow urself up making it). Both can be made from chemicals purchased at your local pharmacy and hardware store (if you know where to go and what to get).

It is far more simple than you think.

Here is a example of a homemade bomb

http://media.putfile.com/sheepbomb

[FXGTV]

You seem to be under the impression that they are building them out of other fireworks

No

Gunpowder is easier to make in large quantities than to collect from fireworks and costs way less of course.

As for the militants with explosives training, all they use is either gunpower (in copious amounts, similar to the aformentioned pipebomb) or plastic explosive (a little more difficult to make but far more stable as a finished product and packs more of a punch, just gotta try not to blow urself up making it). Both can be made from chemicals purchased at your local pharmacy and hardware store (if you know where to go and what to get).

It is far more simple than you think.

Here is a example of a homemade bomb

http://media.putfile.com/sheepbomb

If an explosion the size of a car bomb happened in NZ it would be allll over the news. Think about it, our local headlines are about sweet f a, im picking that a huge fricken exlosion is going to make it onto the news And if your going to say that your friends havn't actually blown up those uber pipebombs, then why did they make em in the firs place?

What explosions i have seen on the news are massive ones in Iraq etc, killing dozens, wrecking stuff and wasting a perfectly good car/person. If you and your friends really want to blow stuff up good, go to an Al Qaeda training camp