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Postby fangsport » Tue Jan 10, 2006 11:39 pm

Santa'sBoostinSleigh wrote:
darkmyst wrote:The car is safe, I assure you, my dad is a mechanic, he wouldn't let me drive a unsafe car and although they're cut, they're fully legit and very captive...
youre full of it mate: CUT SPRINGS ARE ILLEGAL!


24 hours ago he was asking the question as to whether his dodgy rolla would get a WOF, now he is skiting through absolute atonishment (and to stick it up the nose of those who said it wouldn't pass) that it did in fact get through.

WOOHOO for you. yet another dodgily modded piece of crap on the roads .
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Postby wde_bdy » Wed Jan 11, 2006 9:01 am

I really wouldn't advise posting this sort of stuff on the net with your numberplate visible. Your WoF inspector and you may get stepped on.

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Postby Loudtoy » Thu Jan 12, 2006 5:32 pm

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i know i have been guilty of going to a certain garage to WOF the rally car, but safety is still No.1, and it was mainly due to the fact he understood the MSNZ authority card system that i went there. the guys at VINZ wouldn't have a clue and would have asked for cert for rollcage, seats/belts, removal of rear seats/belts etc.


isn't that a big problem with out supposedly no1 wof issuing people, they don't know much especially about msnz stuff.
Other day had the rally car in there and the 1st thing the guy did when he started it up was to put his foot down up till about 4500rpm to see if the exhaust was to loud, didn't get the message that maybe he shouldn't cos i was screaming at him telling him it had just been started after sitting about 45 mins waiting - then he asked me oh is that not a good thing that was at a vtnz rrr if i knew another place that i didn't have to book into i would take it there instead. Sucks not being able to know where you are going to be to be able to take it in - and i'm not trusting some garage i don't know to come get it test it and bring it back likely to send the boy out to get it and yahoo full cage.

U'm and like everyone else (just about) has said, no to the tints and no to the suspension, unless it's all been certed that is
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Postby fangsport » Thu Jan 12, 2006 7:32 pm

Loudtoy wrote: Sucks not being able to know where you are going to be to be able to take it in - and i'm not trusting some garage i don't know to come get it test it and bring it back likely to send the boy out to get it and yahoo full cage.

U'm and like everyone else (just about) has said, no to the tints and no to the suspension, unless it's all been certed that is


where abouts are you??

mechanical workshops and motorsport go hand in hand. there must be a local scrutineer or competitor that issues WOF, and understands the authority card system.
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Postby Loudtoy » Thu Jan 12, 2006 8:06 pm

Palmy north, can't think of any off the top of my head but i'l have an ask around of a few people and see who they use
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Postby Stealer Of Souls » Fri Jan 13, 2006 9:33 am

How can cut springs possibly be considered safe?
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Postby wde_bdy » Fri Jan 13, 2006 9:50 am

Stealer Of Souls wrote:How can cut springs possibly be considered safe?


They can be done properly and can be safe, however they cannot be legal without certification. For certification they need to be done by a springmaker or have plain unground ends with no heat used in the cutting process. You can also be certed with springs that are tied or clamped in.

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Postby Stealer Of Souls » Sun Jan 15, 2006 8:23 pm

With fear of flaming war in mind....

Aren't all springs design with a particular rate and length...
Therefore if you cut a stock spring it'll be too short and therefore be more likely to bottom out the suspension. Which is usually a bad thing.

Yes no?
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Postby ollieboy » Sun Jan 15, 2006 10:54 pm

Stealer Of Souls wrote:With fear of flaming war in mind....

Aren't all springs design with a particular rate and length...
Therefore if you cut a stock spring it'll be too short and therefore be more likely to bottom out the suspension. Which is usually a bad thing.

Yes no?


I agree, springs are designed by the car manufacturer to be ideal for the car and have the right rate of compression and rebound so that you have a safe, comfortable ride on the road. If its cut it will be dangerous and uncomfortable no matter what simply because it is no longer the design the manufacturers intended for the cars safety and comfort.
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Postby wde_bdy » Sun Jan 15, 2006 11:26 pm

ollieboy wrote:I agree, springs are designed by the car manufacturer to be ideal for the car and have the right rate of compression and rebound so that you have a safe, comfortable ride on the road. If its cut it will be dangerous and uncomfortable no matter what simply because it is no longer the design the manufacturers intended for the cars safety and comfort.


Have you considered that basically every aftermarket lowering spring is no longer the design the manufacturer intended? Cars are all about compromises, if you are willing to sacrifice a bit of comfort you generally end up with better handling. Or no lowering spring would ever be legal since they would make the car "unsafe".

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Postby touge rolla » Mon Jan 16, 2006 1:02 am

WOFs vary from place to place, some places will pass a locked diff, cut springs and an array of other dodgy stuff whilst some will ping you for something legal like your exhaust being within 100mm from the ground
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Postby Stealer Of Souls » Mon Jan 16, 2006 8:54 am

purple_beasty wrote:Have you considered that basically every aftermarket lowering spring is no longer the design the manufacturer intended? Cars are all about compromises, if you are willing to sacrifice a bit of comfort you generally end up with better handling. Or no lowering spring would ever be legal since they would make the car "unsafe".

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But factory springs are designed to be a certain length.
And so are aftermarket springs.
Aftermarket springs are always of a high rate. And the rate always increase the shorter the length. This is to try and ensure that the spring doesn't fully compress under normal use. Normal being what they were designed for.
What I was trying to say was that if you take a factory spring and modify it, it will no longer perform as intended.

I suppose in truth since it's pretty rare to even use more than 50-75% (??? bit of a guess) of the springs travel then cutting a bit off the spring isn't really that much more dangerous.
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Postby wde_bdy » Mon Jan 16, 2006 10:56 am

I personally don't recommend cutting springs, for the simple reason that for minimal cost you can get aftermarket or custom wound springs that will do a better job and not require cert in many cases. It is still an option as long as you do it properly (which basically no one ever really does).

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