can 20v ecus be chipped

[vvega]

or you might get nothing and blow your car up
leave any tuning to people that know what there doing
it can be a costly mistake

v

[Alex B]

jst slap a evo turbs on au , itll go hard bro , i herd thy will waste any docha turbs out ther. thy cn run 20psi stockers,itll be phat!

Now now, was that realllly called for

[ROBODISCO_20v]

or you might get nothing and blow your car up
leave any tuning to people that know what there doing
it can be a costly mistake v

Yeah that what i said "You can get upto 10% power increse when tuned correctly". Ok should I ad when tuned by someone who knows what they are doing namely a professional mechanic who has been trained by apexi in japan? or something to that affect?
But yes you are right you can cause a lot of damage if you tune it incorrectly

[escortman]

is that 1 of them piggyback ecus?

[vvega]

those safc's are a waste of mony
for the price of one you could buy some form of proper piggyback and do it right
you just dont have that faggy bling factor everone here seams to be after

v

[ROBODISCO_20v]

Not really. You can pick a second hand one up at a reasonable price on trade me. It'll cost about $400-500 to have it installed & dyno tuned. Most of the cost is in the dyno tuning. They actually have more fuel tuning points than the early links. So in that case they are better. & decent late model link will cost you about $1500 + install & tune. So for people with 20v's they're a cheap altenative to fix the fueling problems they seem to suffer from. Heaps of the VTEC boys use then to with good results.
I wouldm't call a 10% increase in power @ the flywheel a waste of time, especially in a NA car.
Maybe us people in the city value things a bit differently to you hicks?

http://www.apexi-usa.com/product_electr ... &pageNum=1

[vvega]

lol maybe you have no idea as well

you can get a link for $970 brand new
or you can get a megasquirt for under $350 and you put it togetiher

and no we dont value things differntly
i just like to spend my money wisely getting the most bang for my buck
fact is no matter how cool you think you are when the flag drops and the bulshit stops all ya pritty lights bling crap just makes ya look like a dick when you come second

v

[vvega]

safc
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Car-parts-accessories/Performance/Electronics/auction-44904817.htm
safc
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Car-parts-accessories/Performance/Electronics/auction-44816287.htm


linck ecu
http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motors/Car-parts-accessories/Performance/Electronics/auction-45176036.htm


megasquirt
http://www.megasquirt.info/ms2/

[escortman]

http://www.trademe.co.nz/structure/auct ... d=44779984

i found this on TM wat do u guys think, so do u HAVE to get these dyno tuned and if so wat is the average price

[Mr Revhead]

itll prob run it ok. and so would an SAFC. but that depends on your definition of ok. neither of those 2 have ignition control, which for a turbo you would want. so if you want somethign that will make run get those 2. if you want to maximise the gains from the turbo and go as hard as you can. get the link.

trust me, if you take short cuts on this project you will be dissapointed, or end up spending more in the long run

[escortman]

yeh i looked into the insurance side of thigns and it was gona cost to much so i wnt b turboing, how hard is to hook 1 of these up and do tghey need to be dyno tuned lik a link

[1598cc]

em safc's/vafc work well. theyre not a waste of money and can be used to significant gain. theyre easy to install and can be tuned for wot cheaply by just doing a few power runs on a dyno with a a/f plot . not sure whats a good a/f for a n/a car, guess around 13 - 14 on wot? . turbo cars 12 and under to be safe.

can even be used by itself to turbo a car with larger injectors although they advance igntion the further into the negative scale the safc gets.

[escortman]

so wat wud i looking at money wise to hav it tuned dyno etc

[Dell'Orto]

FFS, use the whole keyboard, you dont have a character limit here.

Ring some dyno places, each place will charge a different rate.

[dash]

there's nothing wrong with SAFCs. Quite popular opinion on that side of the pond. On the contrary, it is found on lots of crisp running 11sec full weight 4cyl street cars in the u.s. - many "waste money" on a ecu, go slower and run worse.
Its a way of life with the mitsu camp; $50-150 datalogger + safc + wideband = A great way to learn tuning for those interested in furthering their knowledge rather than 'have somebody else always tuning your setup'. Most here won't 'settle' for that.
SAFC will affect timing, yes. Once you understand what you're doing that can actually be used to your advantage.
A popular 'blackbox' for timing control is the "MSD boost timing master". Dial in how many degrees of timing you want, per pound of boost. $160usd.
Both work well together, *proven* on many well tuned fast street cars.
Transparent operation once tuned, and no pita wiring like a standalone.
Don't forget the greddy Emanage or perfectpower.com smt6. Both control fuel & timing for approximately half 'a proper ecu' price. They work.

There was a popular ae86 silvertop 20v t3/t4 turbo on club4ag, managed via blacktop ecu + emanage. Frightened everybody silly, who rode in the car... and the boost wasn't even cranked up yet.

A friend runs a map 4age ecu on a redtop/blue bottom (stock 9.4:1). safc + 440s. T3 turbo @10psi. No timing control. Pins you hard in the seat. Auto tranny, rwd and will spin all 1st & 2nd at will. Killed 2 4spd rwd already, so he's 'nicer' to this 3spd. Been running like a brand new car for ~3years now. He did mention some "trick mod" to the map sensor tho.

megasquirt is not a 'just put it together and run' venture. Tonnns of reading for starters

[ROBODISCO_20v]

those safc's are a waste of mony
v

Looks like you got SERVED

[Mr Revhead]

yeah right.

full ecu a waste of money?


safc may be adequate. but the best? no. not for any serious engines