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by **no_8wire** » Sat Feb 04, 2006 1:03 pm

Ok so I am getting new shocks as my ones may be on the way out, plus its a anti-rice measure.

So what are the major difference between the types, in relation to handling/ride quality?
Any light that you could shed on the matter would be great.

by **Jebus** » Tue Feb 07, 2006 4:04 pm

Gas is 100X better.

If replacing, gas is the way to go.

by **no_8wire** » Tue Feb 07, 2006 5:44 pm

hmm I know that the trd shocks for the aw11 are oil, so I am trying to find out what is best...

by **Mr Revhead** » Tue Feb 07, 2006 8:34 pm

TRD are gas :wink:

by **Levin** » Tue Feb 07, 2006 8:59 pm

Gas shocks all the way man. Replaced my factory oil shocks in my AE101 levin with monroe gt gas shocks..... mmm they were so much better

by **Jebus** » Tue Feb 07, 2006 9:10 pm

no_8wire, gas shocks have oil in them too. Oil shocks just have oil.

by **Mr Revhead** » Tue Feb 07, 2006 9:15 pm

stock ae101 shocks ahve gas in them too :wink:

by **no_8wire** » Tue Feb 07, 2006 9:30 pm

So Mr Revhead the TRD shocks discribed as below

Fixed rate
Oil cartridge type ( Fronts)
and
Fixed rate
Cartridge type (rears)

Are actually gas shocks?

by **Mr Revhead** » Tue Feb 07, 2006 11:34 pm

pretty damn sure it says so on the shocks... ill double check tomorrow

by **no_8wire** » Wed Feb 08, 2006 7:14 am

Cheers

by **bad20v** » Wed Feb 08, 2006 12:48 pm

Whiteline wrote:Isn't a gas shock better than an oil shock?

Yes and no. A popular misconception is that a gas shock works on gas where as an oil (normal) shock works on oil. All conventional automotive shocks work by forcing oil through a programmed set of holes, however a gas shock will use compressed gas to keep the oil under pressure.

This is done largely to minimise aeration or "foaming" of the oil which would reduce the effectiveness of the shock as air passes through the valves rather than fluid. To see what this is like, tip a conventional shock absorber upside down and pump the shaft a few times. You'll notice the movement become jerky and uneven as oil and air intermittently pass through the valves.

The gas also helps to dissipate heat which keeps the oil cooler and maintains the viscosity and therefore the shock "rate". Gas shocks are ideally suited to long travel applications like rallying and off road. In fact, this is where the technology was primarily developed in the first place as lots of spring travel over big bumps really tests a conventional hydraulic shock.

There are many types of gas shock, twin-tube, mono-tube and remote canister combinations for super heavy-duty use like rallying and off-road racing. Most of the economical gas shocks are of a twin tube construction (low-pressure) where as most performance or race gas shocks use a mono-tube (high-pressure) system. There is no such thing as an ideal system, it really depends on the application as mono-tubes may have advantages in some respect but the high-pressure gas can act as a spring complicating the suspension design process.

The main disadvantage of a gas-pressurised shock is cost; more of it compared with a conventional hydraulic. Which leads to a very simple rule of thumb to help avoid confusion. If faced with a choice of gas or oil for the same price, it's unlikely that the real working part of the gas shock is of the same standard and level of sophistication as the oil. You get what you pay for. And, choosing gas shocks generally mean you'll need to design the rest of the suspension system around that fact with spring and bar rates being affected.

.....or Have A Read in the FAQ Section about shocks etc

Thank-you. Please come again.

by **Mr GTZ** » Wed Feb 08, 2006 5:09 pm

Just Air bag the damn thing...!!! :twisted:

Best Anti-rice measure in town...!!! :twisted:

by **no_8wire** » Wed Feb 08, 2006 5:30 pm

Mr GTZ wrote:Just Air bag the damn thing...!!!
Best Rice measure in town...!!!

Sorry you had made a mistake...

by **Mr GTZ** » Wed Feb 08, 2006 9:02 pm

Haha damn dude you think Air bags are rice, u crack me up.
Hey dont mind me its just that where I come from Air bags are rated.
Jus tryin to make your ride unique from the others. :twisted:

Check it out though you want standard or T.R.D shocks come see me at Giltrap City I'll hook you up...!!!

by **Mr Revhead** » Wed Feb 08, 2006 10:32 pm

hmmm airbags have no perfornamce gain at all.....

by **TotemoAW11** » Thu Feb 09, 2006 5:37 am

no_8wire - mang just trust in TRD, the shocks are mint and you get rev heads clubAW deal :wink:

or for a cheaper option, ask markku exactly what he got (think he might have put it on maxpower in the aw project thread) sounds like he was pretty pleased with them too.

airbags on an AW :lol:

by **no_8wire** » Thu Feb 09, 2006 7:35 am

Were would you put the compressor and the tank? in the boot? :lol:

I will trust in the force that is TRD...the other companys that I rang couldnt even give me spring rates! " We just get told how much it will lower it" and for shocks " Street or racing"

Damn places!

Going to read up now on Maxpower...

by **Adamal** » Thu Feb 09, 2006 8:43 am

Mr GTZ wrote:Check it out though you want standard or T.R.D shocks come see me at Giltrap City I'll hook you up...!!!

Bernie would kick your ass if I told him you were trying to tell people that airbags were performance shocks

by **TotemoAW11** » Thu Feb 09, 2006 10:00 am

no_8wire wrote:Were would you put the compressor and the tank? in the boot?
I will trust in the force that is TRD...the other companys that I rang couldnt even give me spring rates! " We just get told how much it will lower it" and for shocks " Street or racing"

Damn places!

Going to read up now on Maxpower...

its in there:
http://club3a.snachez.net/viewtopic.php?t=332&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=30

or just ask markku ay mang

by **Mr Revhead** » Thu Feb 09, 2006 10:23 am

those front shocks for the aw11 are oil only.
should have mine in the car soon

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