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Postby ollieboy » Mon May 08, 2006 10:24 pm

I got some really good quality primer with my car when I bought it, the problem is I've never used stuff like it before. :oops:

I'm real lazy and cheap and have only used some crap stuff that comes in a spray can, the stuff with my car isn't.

Do I need to crack out the compressor and spray kit or can I brush it on seeming I will be sanding it back anyway to tidy it up?

Its all new to me so don't flame me.

Also I should take any stickers off before primering yeah? It seems like a stupid question I know but as I said earlier I am lazy and the stickers are tiny and theres heaps of them.
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Postby sergei » Mon May 08, 2006 10:30 pm

if you want it good, don't save money or time, especially time, as to prepare properly for spraying takes way more time than spraying itself... and if you brush it on it will take ages to sand it down + it will take ages to dry + you will use way more primer than necesary. Remove all stickers, if it is easy remove window mouldings and if you have remove black mouldings.. remove all plastic panels/parts and prepare them separatly + use plastic primer, also add flex aditive to paint so it will not crack...
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Postby ollieboy » Mon May 08, 2006 10:33 pm

It doesn't really have to be tidy, Its on a car thats going to be used in rally situations quite a bit so It will get rough naturally anyway. So basically I will have to get the spray gun out?

Ok cheers.
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Postby Ae92typeX » Mon May 08, 2006 11:01 pm

as above, you could brush, but then it takes longer sanding and uses much more paint.
Spraying is better option, but dont forget to add the thinners as required.
if you dont take the stickers off, they will show through. spraying is the last 10% of a paint job at best. its all prep.
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Postby RomanV » Mon May 08, 2006 11:26 pm

Take the stickers off.
You could probably use a solvent of some sort to make this easier.

Sand the car before applying primer, and give it a GOOD clean.
Wipe the car down with degreaser, and then go over it with a tack cloth.
(Those steps are important, as they make your paint less likely to fall off when hit by stones etc)
Apply primer messily with a brush.
Sand it for ages to get it smoothish. Dont be too fussed.
Do a bodge paint job.

Congratulations, you are now qualified to paint any K series car, and also anything from the pre 1985 mazda 323 range. :P
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Postby ollieboy » Mon May 08, 2006 11:32 pm

RomanV wrote:Take the stickers off.
You could probably use a solvent of some sort to make this easier.

Sand the car before applying primer, and give it a GOOD clean.
Wipe the car down with degreaser, and then go over it with a tack cloth.
(Those steps are important, as they make your paint less likely to fall off when hit by stones etc)
Apply primer messily with a brush.
Sand it for ages to get it smoothish. Dont be too fussed.
Do a bodge paint job.

Congratulations, you are now qualified to paint any K series car, and also anything from the pre 1985 mazda 323 range. :P


Yeah thats how I was originally thinking :lol: But I might do a good job so it looks half decent at least for a while.
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Postby RomanV » Mon May 08, 2006 11:40 pm

Also be aware, that certain paints are more resiliant to stone chips etc than others.

Have a chat with your local paint shop, if they're anything like my local one, they have plenty of great advice to give.
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Postby Alex B » Mon May 08, 2006 11:47 pm

Its for a rally car, i doubt it needs to be perfert/ worried about stone chips somehow :)
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Postby RomanV » Mon May 08, 2006 11:52 pm

Yes, but I dont doubt that he would be gutted if half of his paint rattled off after the first run.
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Postby RedMist » Tue May 09, 2006 9:02 am

pyro_sniper2002 wrote:Its for a rally car, i doubt it needs to be perfert/ worried about stone chips somehow :)


Actually its a total pain in the arse trying to touch up paint where its flaked due to bad adhersion. Just because a small stone about the size of a tennis ball started the crack shouldnt mean you get large patches of paint flaking. The Bunderson is covered in such scars. Keep it well prepped and the smaller chips remain that way and just require a small brush to hide them.

All I need is a good rubberised paint with a gloss finish.. that weighs nothing.
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Postby HELBND » Tue May 09, 2006 9:45 am

RedMist wrote:Just because a small stone about the size of a tennis ball


8O thats not really a small stone
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Postby RedMist » Tue May 09, 2006 10:30 am

HELBND wrote:
RedMist wrote:Just because a small stone about the size of a tennis ball


8O thats not really a small stone


It is in my world. Snapped the peak off my motorcross helmet once, seen smashed goggles, fingers. Had a couple of very small stones (10-20mm) hit my top lip... god that wakes you up. The Bunderson has dents in thick ali on the rear firewall to the left and right of my head. And I've picked rocks the size of my fist out of the cabin before.
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Postby HELBND » Tue May 09, 2006 10:32 am

and the award for having balls the size of small melons goes to.. :lol:
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Postby sergei » Tue May 09, 2006 10:35 am

HELBND wrote:
RedMist wrote:Just because a small stone about the size of a tennis ball


8O thats not really a small stone


I think he is comparing it to his balls ;). :D
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Postby drftnmaz » Tue May 09, 2006 10:50 am

you can use a roller to apply primer.. it works really well and i know a few shops that use them as well.. of coarse there are proper ones you can buy from the paint shop but i just get mine from bunnings.. make sure you use foam rollers only...

the advantage of this is you dont have to thin the primer at all so it fills in all the little scratches and dimples....

this is 2k primer i'm talking about so it drys pretty fast and you can roll the next coat on.
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Postby RedMist » Tue May 09, 2006 1:00 pm

HELBND wrote:and the award for having balls the size of small melons goes to.. :lol:
... my wife? She just lends them back to me when I (she allows me to) race.
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Postby Ae92typeX » Tue May 09, 2006 7:47 pm

drftnmaz wrote:you can use a roller to apply primer.. it works really well and i know a few shops that use them as well.. of coarse there are proper ones you can buy from the paint shop but i just get mine from bunnings.. make sure you use foam rollers only...

the advantage of this is you dont have to thin the primer at all so it fills in all the little scratches and dimples....

this is 2k primer i'm talking about so it drys pretty fast and you can roll the next coat on.


Interesting technique. I can see it would do what you say, but would still take a while to sand back. Ive never seen or heard of any of my pannel & paint mates using it.
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Postby 85AW20v » Tue May 09, 2006 9:27 pm

Hey Redmist. Its abit like the sticker my brther had on the side of his Mini he built up for Targa -

"I live with fear everyday - and sometimes she lets me race!!"
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Postby drftnmaz » Wed May 10, 2006 2:46 pm

Ae92typeX wrote:
drftnmaz wrote:you can use a roller to apply primer.. it works really well and i know a few shops that use them as well.. of coarse there are proper ones you can buy from the paint shop but i just get mine from bunnings.. make sure you use foam rollers only...

the advantage of this is you dont have to thin the primer at all so it fills in all the little scratches and dimples....

this is 2k primer i'm talking about so it drys pretty fast and you can roll the next coat on.


Interesting technique. I can see it would do what you say, but would still take a while to sand back. Ive never seen or heard of any of my pannel & paint mates using it.


its fairly new technique from what i can tell. i've painted my last car like that. if you a good panel beater and have a really good finish then spraying would be better but this is more of a time saver for quick jobs/run arounds :lol:
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