Shell "fuel economy formula"

[myk00l]

I heard on ZM the other morning that Venezeula (spelling?) has the cheapest petrol in the world at 7c/litre.

[Leon]

Definitely impressed by the TINY disclaimer they had on the Shell Station where I purchased a bottle of cream on Monday. If you stood about 50cm away from the sign, and squinted, you can JUST read the disclaimer on the bottom of the ad that says the fuel economy formula that won some competition that they are boasting about, is in fact not what you have just purchased.

That's just the funniest thing ever.

Wonder how long before it is reported to the commerce commission?

[Dragger_Dan]

They are a business, they exist to make money...get over it!
Its not like its a human right to have access to cheap petrol...

Businesses sole goal is to make money, just be grateful they are not charging you $2.50...becasue if they wanted to they could.

Cheap petrol, Try Affordable petrol, look at all the people that will go back on the dole because once they fuel their car to get to work it will just work out to be better to go back on the dole and not drive. (low income earners etc..) Then we have to pay out of our taxes.

And dont try to say they will use public transport, dont forget that they use fuel too and they are currenlty overcrowed (about 5 bucks from kura to auckland) and like the auckland transport system is any good. Dont see a train in station in Otara, why get up in the morning to catch a bus when he/she can sit on the dole selling drugs to school kids and make more cash. It happens

Fuel costs for fishermen now amount to up to 50% of operating costs

I agree that companies are there to make money, they also have a responsibily to the public to supply resources are the cheapest possible price (so when barrel of oil drops, gas at pump should drop because when it rises it rised right away at the pump).

While i can afford gas at $2.50 can you?

High Gas prices = high prices on everything. Businesses as you stated whos sole gold to make money will just cut jobs, quality of work in some cases to cut costs to remain competive, dont forget they are compeating with china a communist country that has millions of workers that will work for 10cents a day.

I wont be grateful because its hurting the middle class workers of NZ small business and thus hurting this country. Just google news NZ and read all the places closing or cutting jobs or rising the cost of product.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/story ... D=10343848

"Shopkeepers say fierce competition for customers' dollars - already dwindling because of the ever-climbing cost of filling up the family car - has left them struggling to resist price rises for groceries and other necessities of life. "

Rising costs are not reflicted in a Kiwis wage.

Grateful i am anything But.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

[Adamal]

Half a tank used and no sign of any economy so far.

[Dell'Orto]

Definitely impressed by the TINY disclaimer they had on the Shell Station where I purchased a bottle of cream on Monday. If you stood about 50cm away from the sign, and squinted, you can JUST read the disclaimer on the bottom of the ad that says the fuel economy formula that won some competition that they are boasting about, is in fact not what you have just purchased.

That's just the funniest thing ever.

Wonder how long before it is reported to the commerce commission?

Yeah, I was thinking that myself, its blatant false advertising. They have signs saying "Economy formula sold here"

[Ebola_One]

Ebola One: Octane is only one factor in how much power can be extracted from a given fuel... there are other factors that come into play.
You could in theory get more power from a certain blend of fuel that is only 91octane than you could out of 98 octane pump gas.

http://www.vpracingfuels.com/spec/TechBulletin-c12.doc <-- read the second page if you actually want to know a little bit about some of the factors

It's certainly interesting, but from how I read that doc, it's more of a marketing ploy. It's also important to note that the heading for the four factors is "The four most important properties of racing fuel"
They don't really go into any detail, they don't tell you how Octane affects the other three factors, nor how they effect Octane.

It's too hard to sit here tapping away at a plastic interface to the world and speculate at this & that, but if at the end of the day, you can mix up 91 to be more powerful than 98 octane, why hasn't it been done? Who's to say it hasn't been done & that 98 pump gas IS 91 butchered?

Internets speculation FTW!

[no_8wire]

They are a business, they exist to make money...get over it!
Its not like its a human right to have access to cheap petrol...

Businesses sole goal is to make money, just be grateful they are not charging you $2.50...becasue if they wanted to they could.

blah blah blah... otara......blah blah blah...

While i can afford gas at $2.50 can you?

High Gas prices = high prices on everything. Businesses as you stated whos sole gold to make money will just cut jobs, quality of work in some cases to cut costs to remain competive, dont forget they are compeating with china a communist country that has millions of workers that will work for 10cents a day.

Businesses will start to pass on the cost to consumers...and in time the wage people demand will raise to, though the effect will be very staggered

And yes I can afford it to...

If it cost to much to travel to work...find work closer to you...simply really..

[Dragger_Dan]

If it cost to much to travel to work...find work closer to you...simply really..

Sure, that's a really simple, easy round it

[TrouserFxGt]

If it cost to much to travel to work...find work closer to you...simply really..

Sure, that's a really simple, easy round it

and if thats too hard then move closer to work. stupid bloody

[Jebus]

If only I could find the batteries for my teleporter.....

[no_8wire]

<<OR>>

Buy a motorbike to get to work instead!

[Grrrrrrr!]

It's certainly interesting, but from how I read that doc, it's more of a marketing ploy. It's also important to note that the heading for the four factors is "The four most important properties of racing fuel"
They don't really go into any detail, they don't tell you how Octane affects the other three factors, nor how they effect Octane.

It's too hard to sit here tapping away at a plastic interface to the world and speculate at this & that, but if at the end of the day, you can mix up 91 to be more powerful than 98 octane, why hasn't it been done?

Cause it has. http://www.bluedogmoto.com/rd_vp_fuels.html <- read the blurb for mr1. (okay so this wouldn't be called 90 octane over here(probably 98+), but the point is its a low octance (for a race fuel) with high energy content brewed to make more power in some form of racing where the octane level is restricted)

I guess no-one needs a _really low octane_ fuel or else i'm sure VP racing or one of the other racegas companies would make a super low octane high energy fuel.

The fuel we get at the petrol pump is the stuff that they can make the cheapest that meets all the requirements (govt mandated minimum standards, storage life,vehicle fleet requirements, health and safety concerns etc).

If you really want to get into the guts of it all read the gasoline FAQ
http://www.faqs.org/faqs/autos/gasoline ... index.html <-- there are four parts.

Bookmark it for when you next have insomnia

[Norty]

OK I see you dont understand but thats ok.

I am glad you have the simple life, at least someone does.

Anyway.

Looks like that shell gas might be all good, i was a bit hasty when i said it doesn't do anything over normal gas i have about 30km more thus far, normally get about 200km out of half a tank but have had 231km so far will see how it does when i get to the bottom of the tank and post final results.

[myk00l]

Only way to really tell how your car performs on any fuel is to completely fill your tank, then when it's empty note the KM's travelled and refill and then divide the KM's travelled by the amount of fuel it takes to refill the tank, giving you km/l.

[samlloyd]

Did anyone see the interview that Breakfast did with some Shell Boss on Channel 1 in the morning, a few days ago

The guy from Breakfast was eating this guy alive, he asked the boss for outright figures on percentages on how much more fuel efficient it was

But this guy would not answer him.


Then he said, this fuel, coupled with taking excess weight and coasting down hills, will me very efficient



shell FTL

[Mr Revhead]

yes most nz fuel is made in the same place
but there is diffrences...... they all add their own additives and the DO make a difference.
the difference between sheel and mobil id liken to havinng slighty dodgy plug leads and good ones. you can FEEL the difference
therefore i wont allow shell fuel in any of my cars

[Mad Murphy]

I fill up the rona at shell just because it's on the way to tech and I'm always in a rush and I've gotta say that this so-called economy formula has made exactly no difference. Normally I'd fill up at BP (I do when buying 98 for the MR2) but it's not convenient to drive out of the way to get it.

[Simon K]

yes most nz fuel is made in the same place
but there is diffrences...... they all add their own additives and the DO make a difference.
the difference between sheel and mobil id liken to havinng slighty dodgy plug leads and good ones. you can FEEL the difference
therefore i wont allow shell fuel in any of my cars

Are you comparing Mobil 8000 to Shells weak 95 octane? Of course there's a difference. If and when Optimax arrives then that would be a more valid comparison. The VZR has never reached it's full potential on Shell fuel due to it being feeble, a friends one running on 98 is a much better propsition.

Now that you're up in the big smoke you have discovered the joys of higher octane fuel(and priced accordingly )

[Mr Revhead]

u dick

im not that stupid

no i mean same grade mobil vs same grade shell, ie 95 octane.
i alway used to run shell as i used to work there after school (brand loyalty!)
then for rally nelson i leant my car to the guys for a few errands. when i got it back it was running much better, i asked if theyed fiddled with it and all they had done was fill it at mobil. so i emptied the tank and refilled with shell.. went back to how it was, ie not quite right. then next tank was mobil, right away i could feel the difference

[Dirtbag]

After I saw that post of yours about the shell/mobil thing i tried it myself and also noticed a difference. Fill up with 98 nowadays anyway