road user charges and the ltsa

[phrogmodz]

anyone had any issues with outstanding ruc's from previous owners?
i made the mistake of buying a vehicle without checking outstanding ruc's
and the ltsa is far from helpfull in getting the previous owner to pay them.
iv been looking for a way out for 3 months and all ive found is brick walls at every turn.

[fangsport]

wind the odometer back

[Ae92typeX]

If its a private sale, I was under the impression the new owner was responsible for costs owing. thats why they reccomend a check prior to purchase. A dealer is a different story.

[gurutasker]

If its a private sale, I was under the impression the new owner was responsible for costs owing. thats why they reccomend a check prior to purchase. A dealer is a different story.

Indeed they are, as soon as you change ownership of a vehicle into your name, you are liable for all fines or outstanding charges owing to that vehicle. That's why they urge you to get a check done on vehicles before you buy them!

[Bling]

wind the odometer back

i like his style

if you can do it, go nuts

[IH8TEC]

or you do what i did and write up an agreement saying that you are only liable from date purchased, and any fines etc before that date, the seller will pay them, and both parties sign. and have a copy each.

in better wording but you get the idea, my parents recommended it, and the seller was more than happy to sign,

[TrouserFxGt]

If its a private sale, I was under the impression the new owner was responsible for costs owing. thats why they reccomend a check prior to purchase. A dealer is a different story.

Indeed they are, as soon as you change ownership of a vehicle into your name, you are liable for all fines or outstanding charges owing to that vehicle. That's why they urge you to get a check done on vehicles before you buy them!

No.

The new owner is not responsible for outstanding vehicle license (rego) fees. If the rego is past its date on receipt of the certificate of registration from both parties the previous owner becomes liable for the outstanding amount and the date is effectivly 'zeroed'.

Nor are they liable for any outstanding fines as the fines are not recorded against the vehicle but against the owner/driver.

With regard to vehicle Road User Charges you are screwed Phrogmodz.

This is what the Land Transport factsheet 41 has to say.

The Road User Charges Act 1977 requires a vehicle that is subject to RUC to have a valid RUC licence when a new owner takes possession. If it doesn’t, the seller is committing an offence, and the new owner becomes liable for the outstanding fees. It’s recommended that unpaid RUC is taken into account when establishing the sale price. Land Transport NZ doesn’t become involved in these negotiations.

[phrogmodz]

same old story
the seller is comiting an offence selling with ruc's owing,
but the ltsa dosent enforce that rule and then on the next line they say its the new owners problem-government department senceless garbage.

vehicle was brought through trade me so its covered under their rules-they are a registered car market opperator,which means all the same rules as a vehicle purchased through a dealer-all good but the ltsa dont care.

odometer is recorded at the date of sale at the ltsa so winding back is not an option-but was one of my first thoughts.

had a lawyor call the ltsa they told her that if you get a urgla form from the aa or post shop and get the previous owner to sign it its all sorted-aa and post shop never herd of that form,lady from aa called ltsa to find out whats going on and finds that the only people who supply this urgla form is the ltsa itself- all good send one out,never received.

the only helpfull person who ever worked at the ltsa is unknown and has never worked there the following day.

cant take it to court as the old owner says he will pay it (6months of promises mean nothing without actions)-so its not a dispute.

so the 3sge powered cr20 gathers more dust in the back of the paint shop
with 67122kms of unpaid ruc's owing.

[Bling]

with 67122kms of unpaid ruc's owing.

far out!! is the previous owner retarded?

how someone can let a vehicle lapse by that much i'll never know

[Di]

odometer is recorded at the date of sale at the ltsa so winding back is not an option-but was one of my first thoughts.

How ltsa record the odometer at the date of sale? More likely to be the reading at last WOF check.

[phrogmodz]

i cant decide if hes retarded or just really good at being deceptive.
his van he replaced it with is over 20,000 kms overdue too.
somewhere in my research i found some info that says that outstanding ruc's are payable at the time of rego- but the ltsa cant inforce that either?

the differance between last wof and sale date was only around 3000ks
i did some calculations on the milage he did and the years he owned it-i recon its about 6 years worth of milage.

[fangsport]

change the ownership back into his name, make sure it's got reg/wof, then park it in the main st for a month. surely the parking nazis or the police will put a ticket on it for outstanding mileage and send it to the registered owner.

once you know it's been ticketed, take it home and change the ownership back into your name.

[phrogmodz]

i like your style-

the ltsa classes it as an offence to change ownerships without new owner taking posesion of the vehicle-and our lawyer recomends we dont let him
change it back into his name in case he decides he wants it back and we loose the lot

[fangsport]

i see it as no different to filing de-reg papers for a car you no longer are the legal owner of.

i had a AE70 many years ago that was purchased as a project, so i put the rego on hold at the same time as changing the ownership into my name.
unfortunately, when i purchased the car, the front bumper and number plate where not with it, but were going to be dropped off, once they were un-buried in the previous owners shed.
when he did find them, unbeknown to me, he dumped the bumper and handed the plate in, so when i went to get a wof/reg for it, VTNZ told me the car had been de-reged and couldn't be put through for a check.

as similar scenario occurred with a TT132 Corona i owned. purchased off a dealer as is, and was de-reged by them, as soon as they changed the ownership.

[Ae92typeX]

If its a private sale, I was under the impression the new owner was responsible for costs owing. thats why they reccomend a check prior to purchase. A dealer is a different story.

Indeed they are, as soon as you change ownership of a vehicle into your name, you are liable for all fines or outstanding charges owing to that vehicle. That's why they urge you to get a check done on vehicles before you buy them!

No.

The new owner is not responsible for outstanding vehicle license (rego) fees. If the rego is past its date on receipt of the certificate of registration from both parties the previous owner becomes liable for the outstanding amount and the date is effectivly 'zeroed'.
...

Sorry, I should have been more spacific. I meant the ruc, not rego. lol, my last 4 cars I have owned in the last year were out of reg, some by a fair while, as said, zeroed on purchase.
you shouldnt be able to get a new rego with outstanding ruc fees...in my ezperience anyway, but maybe there was some way around that???

[gurutasker]

The new owner is not responsible for outstanding vehicle license (rego) fees. If the rego is past its date on receipt of the certificate of registration from both parties the previous owner becomes liable for the outstanding amount and the date is effectivly 'zeroed'.

Nor are they liable for any outstanding fines as the fines are not recorded against the vehicle but against the owner/driver.

That's why I said that fines owing on the Vehicle, not the driver sorry. And yes rego's do get a little tricky, but with RUC's as we were discussing, it becomes the responsibility of the new owner, even though the seller is commiting an offence.

[fivebob]

so the 3sge powered cr20 gathers more dust in the back of the paint shop
with 67122kms of unpaid ruc's owing.

In which case there shouldn't be a problem, 3S-GE power requires no RUC to be paid. As far as I can see even if there are outstanding charges on the vehicle you are not commiting an offence by driving it.

[gurutasker]

I thought RUC's were only on applicable on Diesel and Hybrid vehicles?

[fangsport]

I thought RUC's were only on applicable on Diesel and Hybrid vehicles?

yip, and a CR20 Master ace is factory diesil ( C as in 1/2/3C engine), he will only be exempt from RUC, once the existing km's are paid up.

[phrogmodz]

there is a form available from the ltsa which must be filled out
when diesel to petrol & petrol to diesel conversions are carried out
to change the info in the ltsa database to eliminate ruc's and extra
rego charges.
this form can only be filled out by vtnz, onroad nz & vehicle certifiers.

once it is lodged no more ruc's will be charged against that vehicle
but all ks traveled before that date must be paid in full reguarsless.

even with a petrol engine certed and loged with ltsa, if i get pulled up im liable for up to three times the ruc total in fines-($6600)
and iv never driven the van.

if i was to accept liability for the outstanding ruc's and set up auto payments the ruc's would be stopped at that date and the ltsa would
withdraw the intrest against the vehicle from the police database.