Spoiler for my AE111 Trueno? Opinions?

[bluemaumau]

random question.

why does having a wing that creates downforce on a FWD have any effect?

surely a front lip/ spoiler is more beneficail for a FWD

[john_l]

lol GG you were following me today i was in a green ae111 levin around ahhh 7:05pm around the uni and turf and your work for a while lol, your head lights are bright slash bluey.. what you got in them?

[Bling]

random question.

why does having a wing that creates downforce on a FWD have any effect?

surely a front lip/ spoiler is more beneficail for a FWD

think having the wing creates less drag, than having no wing. always good to have a bit more weight holding it to the road at high speed, which is when the spoiler might actually have any affect

[NILPSI]

I have the same kit sitting in my spare room, Mine are all TOMS parts and im planning to leave my factory spoler when i get it fitted, or i might splash out on a TOMS T111 wing depending on funds (waiting to move muffler out of the way, its on a weird angle thanks to some random drunken welding )

Then just need to lower the back a bit more and it should be mint

[Snoozin]

random question.

why does having a wing that creates downforce on a FWD have any effect?

surely a front lip/ spoiler is more beneficail for a FWD

You still don't want the back end getting light though do you. Light rear end + lifting off in a FWD = chaos.

Not that it should be an issue at normal road speeds.

Luke having a wing will create more drag. That's what they do to produce downforce.

[RomanV]

Spoiler =! wing.


Spoiler = An aerodynamic aid, to reduce the coefficent of drag of the vehicle (Makes the air seperate more cleanly at the rear of the vehicle, making it more 'slippery'... reduces aerodynamic drag)
Has benefits of decreased fuel consumption, higher top speed, etc.
(In theory... and only if you're hauling. in reality, at sensible speeds, it does SFA)

wing = A 'wing' is something used to create downforce. It makes the car less 'slippery', increasing it's coefficient of drag. However tradeoff is that it sticks the car to the road.
eg. (IIRC) An ST202 GT4 spoiler generates 30kgs of downforce at 120kph.
A formula one car could theoretically drive upsidedown on the roof of something past a certain speed, as it generates enough downforce to suck it to the roof!

And as to the benefits of a 'wing' on a FWD car.

One of the best uses that I've heard for a wing, have been on a FWD.
(I think it was someone from here, with a track car?)

Due to the natural understeering nature of a FWD, at low/medium speed corners, you want the car to be a bit oversteery, so you can power it through the corners.

However at high speed, understeer isnt such an issue, you want to distribute the workload evenly over all four tires, and have some stability/predictability.

However obviously, these two setups contradict each other.

The solution was using the suspension set for low speed stuff, and adding a spoiler to the rear.

Adding the wing made the car effectively adds weight to the rear of your car, as speed increases.
So it did nothing at low speeds when you want the rear to get a bit loose, but at high speeds, it effectively shifted the weight balance of the car towards the rear, and distributed the workload of the tires more evenly as well.

[Snoozin]

Yeah an F1 car generates thousands of kg's of downforce as I understand. Wouldn't that be something, seeing one running upside down.

[Bling]

Luke having a wing will create more drag. That's what they do to produce downforce.

swear I saw a thread regarding spoilers reducing the drag created by air and blah blah

[RomanV]

Likewise.

And I'm pretty sure it was a thread about AE111s too.

And I'm pretty sure that I posted pretty much exactly the same thing in that thread too.

EDIT: here it is

[Snoozin]

Luke having a wing will create more drag. That's what they do to produce downforce.

swear I saw a thread regarding spoilers reducing the drag created by air and blah blah

Yuh you said "wing" as opposed to "spoiler" which works to create less drag.