Converting from Power Steering in AE92

[~SlideWays~]

I'm thinking of removing the power steering from my ae92.

Is there a common toyota with a manual rack which will bolt in? ee90 maybe?

Has anyone done this and what is needed?

I've recently replaced the steering arms so hopefully these aren't different...

[Pies]

can i ask why? ive heard rumours of the AE/EE non power steering having a shorter lock to lock but i cant remember exactly

[Mr Revhead]

yeah why?
power steering lets u run more caster.... caster is good

[Ae92typeX]

Ive sold a few ee90 ones in the past and to my knowledge they fitted.
By steering arms, do you mean the outer tie-rods?
as above really, why.
none of my cars have p/s... wish at least one did lol.

[Caveman]

Im after the same thing.

If you need reasoning
- weight
- driving style
- access
- reliability
- power

im going to try an ee90. will post up results

[Mr Revhead]

- weight feck all extra
- driving style improved caster = better
- access harden up
- reliability its a toyota.........
- power you wont notice the difference


the only reason i can think of is your only interested in drag racing

lets consider this.....
world touring cars
V8 super cars
wrc
fia gt

they all use power steering

[~SlideWays~]

Why because the ps sucks balls. It fails at motorkhana's and keeps throwing belts off, which gets expensive.

I've got a spare gtz ps pump but the pulley doesn't line up.

Both Leon and PC have had the same problem with the ps failing with quick lock to lock turns.

Plus its too fricken light, I don't like it.

[Mr Revhead]

then there must be something wrong with it, fix it

adjust the caster, will make it heavier and handles better

a manual rack on those is very very wrong for motorkhana. they are horrible

[Leon]

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Both Leon and PC have had the same problem with the ps failing with quick lock to lock turns.
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This is true ... however, before you ditch the power steer, I think you probably might want to talk to PC again, now that he has removed the power steer in his car. I believe many of the words he may use in that conversation may be swear words, and describe the difficulty in driving his car now.

[~SlideWays~]

This is true ... however, before you ditch the power steer, I think you probably might want to talk to PC again, now that he has removed the power steer in his car. I believe many of the words he may use in that conversation may be swear words, and describe the difficulty in driving his car now.

Hmmm interesting...

Revhead: main problem I have is that I will need a custom pulley due to having to have the belt on the outer pulley of the crank. This is due to have the alternator being on the other side of the engine and can only have this belt line up with the inner part of the crank pulley.

I have a ps pump from a gtz which I stripped which didn't seem to have the full lock problems. But the pulley just doesn't line up

Old man just bought a lathe...maybe can do something about this pulley problem.

You guys are all pussy's! Stupid p/s.

[Mr Revhead]

whats the engine?
fill us in on the details and mods. coz surely u can use the stock set up, weather it be ee100 or 4agze

my aw11 doesnt have power steering.... and with 6-8 deg castor its a bit hard on the steering, but i can handle it.
so harden up yaself

[~SlideWays~]

whats the engine?
fill us in on the details and mods. coz surely u can use the stock set up, weather it be ee100 or 4agze

my aw11 doesnt have power steering.... and with 6-8 deg castor its a bit hard on the steering, but i can handle it.
so harden up yaself

Nah its a ae92 gtz with turbo. Can't have the alternator and that HUGE bracket in the stock position because its in the way on turbo setup. Thats why the alternator is now on the side where the sc used to be.

Might see what I can do about modifying the pulley on the spare p/s pump. Just need to be lengthened an inch or two to line up with the outer crank pulley. The current one is a bit bung and the pulley modification isn't too good.

[Jebus]

Does a 4AGE PS Pump line up better than a GZE one?

[Mr Revhead]

oh yep i got ya

maybe a trip to pickapart to look at various models brackets etc?

[~SlideWays~]

Does a 4AGE PS Pump line up better than a GZE one?

Not sure, could be worth a look.

[~SlideWays~]

oh yep i got ya

maybe a trip to pickapart to look at various models brackets etc?

Hmmm, could actually be an option to make a spacer to move the whole pump to the left. Don't remember if anything is in the way... will look tonight.

[Jebus]

Does a 4AGE PS Pump line up better than a GZE one?

Not sure, could be worth a look.

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Cos on 4AGE the alt is on the inlet side, and PS is on exhaust, ive still got the pump + pulley from my motor. Ill take a pic of it for you if it would help??

[~SlideWays~]

Does a 4AGE PS Pump line up better than a GZE one?

Not sure, could be worth a look.

]

Cos on 4AGE the alt is on the inlet side, and PS is on exhaust, ive still got the pump + pulley from my motor. Ill take a pic of it for you if it would help??

Sweet that'd be good. Cheers

[ATAl]

Not having power steering isn't an issue, I've done this and have increased the caster at the same time and the only difference is I can't parallel park one handed anymore.

However, the steering is a little slower ratio now, maybe half a turn more lock to lock.

I used an EE90 or non ps AE92 rack (they seem to be the same), you do need to change the steering wheel to rack universal joint and the firewall side cover, everything else bolts up.

[IH8TEC]

use the 4age powersteering pump and bracket, thats what i had to do, and barry made a little adjuster for it.