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Postby fivebob » Sun Aug 06, 2006 10:40 pm

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now.... what was the topic again?

Something silly about converting a GT-4 to rwd, which is what I originally thought of doing the GT-T with the SW20 drivetrain, though I don't think that would fit in a GT-4 (unless it was an ST246 ;)). On further reflection I thought why would you take the front engine out anyway :twisted:
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Postby groupagt4 » Mon Aug 07, 2006 9:06 pm

firstly thankx circuitlevin for supporting me.look guys frankly i dont give a damn about how stupid or inpracticle it is to convert fact is i wanna do it,i saw one on trademe a while ago that was rwd and the guy said he welded the diff does anyone know if this is true all i wanna know is how you do it
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Postby Dell'Orto » Mon Aug 07, 2006 9:30 pm

Yep, in fact thats exactly all you need to do. Just weld up the diffs, all 3 of them. Take out the axles, they're just dead weight. Dont listen to what anyone says about leaving the axles in, they're just trying to put you wrong.
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Postby Ako » Tue Aug 08, 2006 10:30 am

F$%k some people are negative.

We have heaps of people on here making ridiculously overpowered FWD cars... They can't get traction in the dry at 100kph but we still say "thats awesome" - just as an example of something that most people would find silly...

Then a couple of people come along wanting to do a relatively straightforward thing to a celica, and people just take the piss and say its pointless. I've had 4WD turbos for the past 3 years, and I've taken them to gravel in anger maybe twice in that entire time. The 4wd aspect is more and more becoming pointless to me - I don't drag it that often, and 99% of my driving is done on tarmac. The other 1% is grass hacking :)

I've got a VR4 at the moment (as per usual), and my spare centre diff arrived this morning. I'm getting it professionally welded up, and its going to take me about 4 hours to convert the car to permanent RWD. I can swap it back in half that time by just putting the axles back in. Since its my weekend toy, its MEANT to be fun to drive.

The GT4 I can imagine won't be much harder.

To spell it out, for any 4wd car - lock the centre diff up (done by opening up the gearbox, and welding it up like any other diff), remove the front axles, leave in the outer CV's to hold the hub together, blank up the holes in the gearbox, and there you go, RWD where you once had 4WD. Another way to do it is to remove the spider gears from the front diff (still with locked centre), however on some cars the speedo drive is off the front diff, so it may not be an option. Also means its harder to undo your handiwork.

I've seen it done to subarus, mitsis, hell - there is even a turbo RWD primera up north done by this method. The exception is skylines with the ATTESSA system - you just pull the 4wd fuse on those. They are the only car I can think of with this ability.

Risks = Your transfer box and rear diff are under a lot more strain than in 4wd mode - they now have 100% of the power instead of the maximum 70% or so you'd recieve with a viscous centre diff. Your rear diff is in the same boat.

Gains = Car is ten times more fun. You now have skid ability, and you now feel dumb for saying the car was tail happy before. Plus, you don't have to swap the car you like now for a skyline/cefiro just to get a wheel going ow.

If you don't like it, put the axles back in. You're left with a locked centre diff (unless you have a spare like I have for this exact reason), but this isn't a huge downer - in mitsis particularly, its the only weak point in the gearbox. Helps with big launches too :)

Hope that actually helped.
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Postby Mr Revhead » Tue Aug 08, 2006 10:37 am

some of us are just used to doing things properly!
a 4wd converted in such away would not be my idea of fun....

scary and dodgy come to mind
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Postby Ako » Tue Aug 08, 2006 10:51 am

Care to explain how it is scary - or dodgy?
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Postby Mr Revhead » Tue Aug 08, 2006 10:55 am

the suspension is set up for 4wd.

its getting more drive to the rear, in some cases in a design thats front biased, just not set up to handle it.
sure may be fine for a few skids but fcuk that for a road car
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Postby Ako » Tue Aug 08, 2006 11:08 am

Hrmm... Never seemed much different to me.

They may have a bit less traction than a similarly powered normal RWD - but nothing grossly over the top.

So - is the suspension and brakes in a treuno designed to take 200kW?

Is a DX corolla meant for recieving engines with double the power they were built with?

No point beating round the bush - it is something done just for a laugh - but there isn't anything inherently unsafe about it that there isn't already present in a high powered RWD car anyway.
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Postby fuel » Tue Aug 08, 2006 11:38 am

Didn't a certain guy with a TT VR-4 *cough* BAM *cough* write off his car just after he converted it to RWD? :P
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Postby Ako » Tue Aug 08, 2006 2:44 pm

Yep.

From finding a corner, right after a large rise in the road, while travelling about 3 times faster than safe - least the galant survived, the legacy in front didn't :? .

Wasn't the change in drive that sent that thing into a fence.
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Postby groupagt4 » Tue Aug 08, 2006 3:05 pm

thanks ako just what i needed a simple answer with no smart ass comments
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Postby JustinSpiderholden » Tue Aug 08, 2006 3:58 pm

hahaha man these threads crack me up so hard, so many haters on toyspeed man
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Postby fivebob » Tue Aug 08, 2006 5:37 pm

So how do you expect this to get past certification??? Because it will need to be certed, as it's not an exempt drive train modification. :roll:
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Postby fivebob » Wed Aug 09, 2006 5:25 pm

And the silence was deafening :twisted:

I can't only take this to mean that there is no way of getting this mod legally certified. Which seems to imply that those suggesting it would be a good idea are firmly in the ranks of the boy racer. Funny I thought this was a car enthusiast forum. :roll:
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Postby Ako » Wed Aug 09, 2006 6:08 pm

Sorry, didn't read this post.

Certing - Can't say it was something I'd thought of. If in doubt, put axles back in. Problem solved in half an hour - hence why the method I described is a workable one. Just pull the axles out for skids / amusement, put them back in for road use.

Not ideal, but the solution is one costing many thousands of dollars to re-engineer the whole car. Or... I think I might actually ask a certifier whats involved, just out of curiosity - might not be that big an issue, unless you know something I don't!
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Postby wde_bdy » Wed Aug 09, 2006 8:08 pm

Ako wrote:I think I might actually ask a certifier whats involved, just out of curiosity - might not be that big an issue, unless you know something I don't!


From my reading of the manual, it should be an extremely straight forward prospect for certing. Key things will be how it drives and handles, would be the only area of concerns as far as I can see. I would however refer to "modified transfer case" rather than "locked centre diff" to be on the safe side.

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Postby AE85coupe » Thu Aug 10, 2006 5:07 pm

JustinSpiderholden wrote:hahaha man these threads crack me up so hard, so many haters on toyspeed man


man it cracks me up to, a large amount of people on here can't seem to answer a tech question with a straight forward answer, or without having a cry about something

what happened to old school toyspeed without this crap? it was so much nicer

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Postby deaf_rattle » Thu Aug 10, 2006 7:00 pm

AE85coupe wrote:
JustinSpiderholden wrote:hahaha man these threads crack me up so hard, so many haters on toyspeed man


man it cracks me up to, a large amount of people on here can't seem to answer a tech question with a straight forward answer, or without having a cry about something

what happened to old school toyspeed without this crap? it was so much nicer

too many haters


whats even funnier is the people that say one thing in one thread, then contradict themselves something cronic in another thread

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Postby Mr Revhead » Thu Aug 10, 2006 7:57 pm

:lol: at least im consistant in my hate
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