What pads to use in KE70 club car??

[solberg Fan]

Hey all,

Ive got a KE70 club rally car. The brakes need attention new fluid and of course pads. The front struts, discs (vented) and pads are out of an AE86. Brake fluid im sweet with but its the pads im not sure about. The old owner told me that he used standard Toyota pads and nothing else. Said they were better than anything else he tryed and im a bit uneasy about that. But in saying that they have done well so far...

They have to work prety good from cold and be able to take a bit of heat as it gets a little bit of track work.
Im not fast and neither is the car, but i still want somthing decent.
What do you guys suggest??
Thanks

[fangsport]

just running boring old Metal Kings in the levin with KE70 struts/rotors.

does most things i expect from it, including a bit of brake induced understeer

[Jebus]

Yep, I used to have Metal Kings in my KE30 with stock brake setup, was fine after continuos abuse around pukekohe. They are really hard on discs however, but not really an issue for a race car.

With my new setup I use Remsa pads, they are rated very highly, and although I havnt had my car on the circuit with these pads yet they certainly have held up well and feel awesome on the street.

So either of the above are semi-race pads(theyre fine cold, and wont fade), and would recommend both for all you need.

Edit: Be sure to use Dot 5.1 fluid, dont piss around with Silicone fluid either.

[KinLoud]

I ran metal kings in the front and rear of my carina racecar for 2 seasons. Worked well with the standard bigport 4age. No fade, I found I had to warm them up with a couple of hard stops in the warmup lap just to get the pedal feel consistant in the first couple of (usually frantic) corners.

Ken
Ham
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[solberg Fan]

So how bad would they be before the first few stops if you didnt get the chance to warm them up? As i wont be able to get any good heat into them before the run

[CaM]

not a toyota but.......

I run mintex 1144 compound in my 205gti.
haven't managed to get bugger all fade as of yet, even with rooted old fluid (i'm lazy)
also, bite damn well from stone cold, only get better with a bit more heat.
Little on the noisy side at times, and quite dusty but that doesn't bother me at all....
Can buy them for my car off the shelf in the u.k for like 10 pounds sterling. nobody brings them into nz though, ans bnt weren't all that interested in importing me any
I got mine made up from my old pads. cost a wee bit over a hundred bucks an end, but was worth it.
seem to be really kind to rotors too...

[Dell'Orto]

I just used Lucas pads for the track day with dot 5.1 fluid, they didnt miss a beat all day. Once they were bedded in

[KinLoud]

Pedal feel changes a bit (maybe 20%) from cold to hot.
Cold I needed a bit more pressure on the pedal for the same stopping force - Not much difference, just enough to notice.
Start with Toyota factory or metal kings and then see what you think after a couple of days on the track.
I use repco 5.1 brake fluid and change it just before a race day so I know I am getting the best out of it.

Ken
Ham
021 408 863

[Cahuna]

I ran (old) Metal Kings in the Corolla at the Far North and didn't get even a hint of fade all day, so yeah they are probably a good value choice. I never have any problems with stopping them when cold but I do run a brake booster in my car (and I used them in my old Commodore on the street for years so I'm used to their feel)

A couple of other options are:
* Pagids - Jeff T used them in his MR2, no fade problems and extremely long life (he did a Targa and 3 seasons of club events on the set we just pulled out, they are around 1/2 worn... then again he does run lots of rear bias! )
* Ferodos - can't remember the exact compound but the come highly recommended as not fading, gripping like gorillas and working from cold.

Try Race Brakes (0800 RaceBrakes) over in New North Rd (http://www.racebrakes.co.nz), they should be able to recommend something suitable.

[solberg Fan]

Thanks guys, Its good to hear metal kings seem to stand up to the task.
Yep ill be using 5.1 fluid and definatly not dot 5. (im probly a bit lazy for the silicon based fluid)

Thats impresive about the mr2 using only half a set over a full targa plus three seasons!!
Im probly splash out on new rotors also, Any prefrences there? Im thinking genuine should be good enough

[Jebus]

Ive used genuine and Brembo, Probaly around the same price, both good. Go with whatever is the best deal. That will have your braking sorted.

Also replace the master cylinder with a new item if you havnt done so already.

[solberg Fan]

Had another good look at my discs today and there good enough for a new set of pads. Ive gone back to genuine. TRD do another option but there over 200 just for the front set!

Ill leave the master just for now as the rear calipares need rebuilding first. Just need a pay rise lol

[MikeMan]

Either Ferodo DS3000 Plus 03 or Mintex M1166 would be my choice.

[CaM]

1166s would be far too 'ardcore for what this guy's after
they don't bite from cold, and are essentialy a heavy race use pad

[fangsport]

1166s would be far too 'ardcore for what this guy's after
they don't bite from cold, and are essentialy a heavy race use pad

kinda what i was thinking, but as i havn't used them, i wasn't going to make an unfounded statement.

[CaM]

yuh.
for a lightish car, I wouldn't go higher than a 1144, especially on the first set (gain a control, work from there)

[Leon]

1166s would be far too 'ardcore for what this guy's after
they don't bite from cold, and are essentialy a heavy race use pad

erm, the g/f's Nissan Pulsar runs these pads, and it gets light commuting work only. They work perfectly from cold in this car.

[CaM]

interesting.
I;ve even heard of 'problems' associated with 1155s on road cars.
guess it's different for every setup eh

[KinLoud]

With my bluetop 4age I ran metal kings.
When I put a 3sge in my Carina (sold the old Bluetop) I went for better pads - Mintex 1166
Pedal feels pretty much the same cold or hot.
They work well cold. I would trust them on the street too.
Cost about double the price of the metal kings and I have to take in old brakepads so they can bond the 1166 compound onto them.

Ken
Ham
021 408 863

[Leon]

guess it's different for every setup eh

Yep I guess so.

I've had no issues with the 1166's not working stone cold in my club car either. Being road legal etc, it does occasionally get driven to the supermarket, and gets driven to all events.

Noisy as hell, grubby, and very hard on discs (both the g/fs car, and my car have gone through front discs), but works perfectly well from cold. Better pedal feel in fact than the metal king's that I used for one event in the Corolla.