engines you've got respect for

[Lith]

Read it again. A B18C or B16A that has gone BOOM is an engine that doesn't go at all

Absolutely But blown B16As and B18Cs are harder to find.

[Mr Revhead]

unreliable and 4age dont go together at all. unless you add the word muppet.

[solitaire]

A reliable 4AGE will go faster than a B16A or B18C that has gone boom

Hahaha - fully assuming that was a joke. 4AGEs (especially the 20vs) have to be one of the most unreliable motors for the power they make I can think of. Aside from 12As.

Cant comment on the 20v's... But my small port has taken heap of abuse, including being run on almost zero oil for a week and is still going strong... and as for power it all depends on what you do to it but 1998's ae92 is a small port running stock interals at 9psi... hes got a few bugs to work out and it still a mean ride... the fact its over boosting etc and still running 10.5 comp speaks volumes

[Lith]

It was really the 20vs I had in mind, which is why I really leaned on them in the last page. Last Manfeild club track day thing I went to I'm sure there were two 4AGTEs which let their magic smoke escape - and I know of many people who have substantially tired if not completely murdered 4AGE-20s while still NA.

I don't consider them unreliable per se, but for something that realistically seem to put out ~130hp (silvertop) or ~150hp (blacktop) in stock form its pretty poor. I don't know anyone who has blown a B16A up without stuffing up clearances when changing cams, or shoving wayy more atmosphere into them than they're built for.

20vs seem fine so long as you don't use them for what they're argueably built for - ie, revving the shit out of.

[Distrb]

I know of many people who have substantially tired if not completely murdered 4AGE-20s while still NA......

Myself being one.

Depends on application really. I've personally destroyed 2 20v's. Both times i've used them in stock form, in an application and an environment where they where not intended for use when designed/constructed (i.e. the race track for extended periods of time - hey i was having fun!)

I've no doubt they're reliable as hell given proper maintenance and use in the correct application and environment. As is any engine. I bet a 13b or 12a would be nice and reliable if the above factors were applied

IMO b16a's and 4ages would have to be the most reliable engines for the street. Their gearboxes however....

[Mr Revhead]

yeah i cant be arsed going in to details but syaing the 4age is unreliable... well you should start selling fertiliser

only concern with the 5 speed g/b is syncros. the 6 speed seems to be able to destroy the diff, but havnt found out why yet.

iv seen many many dead b16as. but i dont call them unreliable. hell iv seen many dead 2.8 hiluxes.... yet they are about the most reliable engine in their class! all depends where you look as to what you find

[Lith]

Never called them unreliable Definitely very very solid street motors.

Interestingly enough, in terms of both B16A and 4AGE the gearbox would have to be the most annoying/unreliable part of the drivetrain.

[solitaire]

also... i jsut remembered... a mate of mine off here bought a silvertop and didnt check the oil for 3 months... when he did the stick was bone dry... as in not a drop, after he had been driving it... Now the enginge did do itself a fair amount of damage... but he still daily drove it for about 6 months i think after that... if you dont call that reliability i dont know what you would...

[Distrb]

Never called them unreliable

never said you did

Interestingly enough, in terms of both B16A and 4AGE the gearbox would have to be the most annoying/unreliable part of the drivetrain.

i'd go as far as saying the whole car (almost as annoying as flogged out superstrut suspension)

[Mr Revhead]

ahh... actually he did.... just the previous page

[Lith]

ahh... actually he did.... just the previous page

For the power they make - its ratio thing They don't make much power, so there isn't really that much unreliability.

[Distrb]

ahh... actually he did.... just the previous page

Yes he did say that, and thats all wonderfully well and good, but it wasnt the part of his statement that i was quoting.

For the power they make - its ratio thing They don't make much power, so there isn't really that much unreliability.

Anyway, you're right, they never made as much as they claimed, which is sad.

So if we apply your ratio 'thing' they'd be stupidly reliable

[Skin]

I've no doubt they're reliable as hell given proper maintenance and use in the correct application and environment. As is any engine. I bet a 13b or 12a would be nice and reliable if the above factors were applied

Smart man this guy This is the same arguement i keep having with a certain one eyed fellow i work with

Sure a rotary is more sensitive to poor maintenance/tuning, but done right they can be just as reliable as any other engine. The problem is people treat them like a piston engine, and thats when shit happens.

Treated properly, there is no reason why a rotary cant last 300,000km, or more

[Distrb]

Argument with certain work colleague only happens coz you bit back! Plus he likes winding you up about it

[Lith]

So if we apply your ratio 'thing' they'd be stupidly reliable

Absolutely Which is why I deny any claim I called them unreliable in the absolute sense of the word haha.

Either way, neither a B16A nor a 4AGE are going to get my vote haha. 2JZGTEs are a fantastic piece of kit though.

[Dell'Orto]

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Treated properly, there is no reason why a rotary cant last 300,000km, or more

Hell yeah, my Cosmo had done 160k's when I bought it, and once I put new plugs in it, it ran beautifully.

[Adamal]

Rotaries only really have major problems if they've been owned by Brotaries.

As in "bbrrrrRRRRRRRAAAAAAADADADADADADADADADADADADA!!!!"

"AU NICE BURNOUT BAE!"

[Mr Revhead]

piston engine? you mean drive them?

[method]

4g63's

How many 2ltr 4 cyliners can put out over 1000hp without falling apart all the time.

And all the evo9's running 11 second passes on standard engines.
I know of many pushing over 250kw at the wheels and are daily driven. Fully standard internals too!

Not to mention the abuse mine gets when i race my car, very surprised it hasnt broken. The weakness is leaning out and cracking the piston in the early ones. But that has been soretd out, they have strong pistons that are coated with friction reducers too, better than a cheap set of forged pistons.

[eritate]

Well I cant say i respect the fords...

But our ford its done 290,000kms and she is still running strong

Haha which reminds me.... My friend had an old escort it was $&#$% but he wanted to see how far it would get without oil and water

So he drained the water and oil and drove it from palmy to the start of the gorge LOL


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