Fuelstar

[Stealer Of Souls]

Go and talk to bob homeward he is an agent for fuel star . I asked him about installing it on my caldina which he did not recomend. He has dyno tested it on his own cars . Got no performance gain but allowed him to run the car on 91 unleaded instead of 98 without the engine pinking and gets a little better mileage out of a tank . So it works but it doesnt.

This sounds like it's worth it alone... If you can run 91 instead of 98 that's a good saving at the pump with each fill... Especially if (like around where I live) there is good competition on 91. Down the road 91 is 2c cheaper than standard price... That makes it 13c cheaper than 98... and with a fuel docket that's 17c cheaper than full price 98, 6c cheaper than full price 91.


As for this fuel star testing... The method is now a bit iffy...
It would have been better to have a dyno run from right before the fuel star was fitted, and then one straight after, and another after a few hundred kays driving...
But... 5% is often considered the statistical threshold, anything less than that can't be considered a reliable result, but can be considered indicative.

[Chickenman]

I still think everyone that's interested should just put some sinkers in their gas tank.

[TRDmod]

sinkers is not tin, its lead, and the surface area of a sinker or multiple sinker is a little different.
but ok.... fair enolugh i know what your trying to say:P

well, yes thats what i am thinking, if you will need 91 isntead of 96 or 98 to stop detonation .... then this product is worth it already, even if you use 96, it would only improve combustability of 96 which would lead to a better safety margin, now for 400 installed, you cant really ask for more.

one thing though, could be 'placebo' but i do feel a difference. slightly different just before 5krpm
it feels different around bou 3 to 4...
but i could be wrong, ill let you know

If every tank fill you save 8 dollars from 98 to 91, and every week you fill up a tank, after one year you can almost pay for the fuel star itself - i say thats alrady worth it not to mention the occasional trackday where you use bout 2 litres per lap lol

[Punter]

If every tank fill you save 8 dollars from 98 to 91, and every week you fill up a tank,

You have a ~73L tank.

[Silent Knight]

If every tank fill you save 8 dollars from 98 to 91, and every week you fill up a tank,

You have a ~73L tank.

Mine's bigger.

[Stealer Of Souls]

If every tank fill you save 8 dollars from 98 to 91, and every week you fill up a tank,

You have a ~73L tank.

62L/tank = $8 difference if you filled up down the road from me...

[TRDmod]

that was an example
i kinda pulled the figure out of my a r s e
but yes i know what you mean sure
but thats to make a certian point:P

[Lloyd]

"The proper operation of the Fuelstar requires movement and vibration to release the metallic particles from the alloy cones within the canister"

Mmmm.... metal in my fuel




How can you possibly claim that this makes any difference to anything at all, worst of all claiming that you can run a lower octane fuel than the engine is designed to run on? If this does something such as releasing lead into the fuel (which is stupid for many reasons) then its going to basically do nothing at all, and if anything damage your engine.

As far as I can see, this is simply a fuel filter with little balls of magicness in that has the ability to suck money directly from the pockets of completely stupid people

[TRDmod]

hrt its easy to trash an idea
but scientifically it has merit. and yes scientifically it does have merit
for more complete combustion, the tin particles catalyse the fuel while burning.

and no it doesnt damage the car because the particles are so little
but, fair to say that i do not say it will and does work, hence why im trying it.
but numerous trials have been done with 91 as oppose to higher octane and with out any problems with this thing on.

so all these tests are done on it saying that it has merit - so unless anyone here has any extreme knowledge about chemistry, i think its hard to over rule its potential. and there is a money back guarantee, so why not?

but lets put it this way... say a car combusts its fuel more effectively...
isnt that a good thing?
so if this does give for moer complete combustion... then isnt that good already?

[Lloyd]

Tell me how tin acts as a catalyst in the combustion of an alcohol then

[sergei]

If you think about it, adding catalyst to mixture will have increase chance of preignition -> becuase catalyst lowers temperature (energy) required to initiate the reaction.

[TRDmod]

i actually dont know the science, its what i read and they claim so im trying it out.
but according to the website and independent reasearch ont eh internet in different countries.
tim oxidises in the combustion and the oxides and the burnign of them helps wih the combustion.

but thats the extent of my knowledge.

if it works i dont care how it does it just works, so im tryign it.

no point arguing this, im sure this has been argued countle4ss times before.

bottom line, if its gonna give me more power, im happy wtih it, if not i refund

[Lloyd]

The definition of a catalyst is something that doesn't actually change what it is from the beginning to the end of the reaction. And as Sergei says, it'll make the reaction easier to initiate which would mean you'll need a higher octane fuel to prevent preignition

[Lloyd]

and yes scientifically it does have merit
for more complete combustion, the tin particles catalyse the fuel while burning.

i actually dont know the science

Alright then...

so unless anyone here has any extreme knowledge about chemistry

I'm not saying I have an extreme knowledge of automotive system or anything, or an extreme knowledge of chemistry but I have a basic knowledge of each by way of a BSc in Chemistry and happen to be a mechanic also. Just quoting random stuff from a website about a product that they dont actually explain anything about doesn't make it have merit

[Stealer Of Souls]

http://www.mng.org.uk/green_house/renew ... rticle.htm

^^^^^^^
How metal particles could be used as a combustion fuel in an engine...
Read it...
This will give the basic premise for how the fuelstar product probably works.
Then comment.

I'm no BSC Chem major, but that article made sense to me.

[fivebob]

If it's a catalyst then it would make detonation worse, you need to retard combution not accelerate it. There are some metallic compounds that act as an octane improver like methylcyclopentadienyl manganese tricarbonyl (MMT) or Ferrocene (Iron Chelate), but they would be required in such large quantities that they wouldn't last more than a tank full or two.

I suppose it could be a catalyst that alters the chemistry of the fuel before it enters the system, but as a large proportion of the fuel is returned to the tank I can't see how this would work with any accuracy, and changing the chemical composition of the fuel in a random manner is not something that has any scientific merit.

I think the biggest effect of this device is the placebo effect... you pay the money therefore it has to work...or else you'd be a fool now wouldn't you

[fivebob]

http://www.mng.org.uk/green_house/renewable_energy/metal_NS_article.htm

^^^^^^^
How metal particles could be used as a combustion fuel in an engine...
Read it...
This will give the basic premise for how the fuelstar product probably works.
Then comment.

I'm no BSC Chem major, but that article made sense to me.

It may make sense, but it has nothing to do with how Fuelstar is supposed to work. It's all about using powdered metals as a fuel source, and the quantities required would exhaust this device in a very short time.

[TRDmod]

Money back guarantee, you cant get away from that
if im not satisfied with at least 20kw atw improvement, i will return it

[fivebob]

Money back guarantee, you cant get away from that
if im not satisfied with at least 20kw atw improvement, i will return it

Yes you can get away from that, it's just a trap to entice you into buying it... all the infomercials use this tactic, and the suckers believe it

Let us know how you get on with the refund process...I'll bet it's not as cut and dried and you seem to think

[Mr Revhead]

one of those ones with the small print "less handling and p&p"
which prob equals $500