Cert? Yeah i think so!

[TRD_ZERO]

Went for a warrent for my car, not a sigle problem with it bar the trd adjustable suspention(guy said i needed a cert) but i laughed it off as i saw the other post saying it needs a cert (unless OE). I called up a guy that issues the certs just to make sure i didnt need one, he said yeah it needs one because "OE" stands for Original Equipment meaning did it come out the factory with it? My answer was no so he said you need a cert just like every other car that has adjustables ........Id take his word for it as this is what this guy does for a living and i bet im not the first person to ask him this question.

Im sure ill get a thrashing for bringing this up again. But hey i wish i didnt need a cert, prove me wrong by telling me where i can get a warrent in auckland prefrebly close to the shore then ill believe you.

[BigDon]

"OE" is defined as (©LTSA 2004, VIRM: In-service Certification, Version 2, Amendment 1, March 2004): OE means original equipment fitted at the time of manufacture of the vehicle, or a part supplied by the
vehicle manufacturer.

So unless this defintion has changed then TRD adjustibles shouldnt need a cert. I have invoices from TNZ for all my TRD stuff and they treat it just like any other Toyota part TNZ supply, actually I dont think the invoices even say that the parts are TRD it just has part numbers.

While I cant recommend a WOF place in Auckland download the VIRM and rock up with that and maybe ask TNZ to confirm that the TRD parts are factory toyota parts if the WOF guys wont accept the defintion in the VIRM.

[Rick]

Dont fu@k around, just get a cert, they arn't that expensive, if you cant afford one replace with factory struts or save up

[TRD_ZERO]

Yeah itsno cheap when you have other things to pay for, and why pay for it when i dont need it. Yes ok i missed out the bit where it say "OE" = or a part supplied by the
vehicle manufacturer. I downloaded the file that states (unless OE) But cant find where the proper Definition of OE is so i can show in paper for proof.

[BigDon]

You need the part with the intro defintions in it. It also has the contents page.

You should be able to get it from this page.

http://landtransport.govt.nz/publicatio ... html#intro

I agree why get a cert if you dont need to, and if you do get a cert and decide to change something say wind the suspension up or down (100mm min clearance) because you change spring rates then you have to get re-certed. I brought TRD for the very reason it doesnt need a cert and for my race seats and harnesses (all fia approved) Im just getting a motorsport authority card $50, totally legal and sorted without needing LV certification $250 plus and potential future issues if you change things.

[Pies]

$&#$%. get over it. get a cert. saves alot of hassles in the long run

if you bought the car like that then make the dealer pay for it

[Caveman]

Dont get a cert if you dont need it...

People who say just get a cert sound like they have no back bone and are not willing to stand up for themselves.

If you are within your legal bounds to not require a cert to get a WOF, and have proof then there should be no problem.

Half of it is pricipal, the other half is saving money, certs cost a lot.

Not only that if you are still going to turbo then get it all done at once to save time and money.

[Lloyd]

Yay, this will just turn into another argument about what people think means what. Its been discussed before.




And as a personal opinion, get a cert. Steering and suspension is one of the major safety issues associated with cars, pays to have that stuff all legit.

And if you cant get a warrent like that, tough. If you're in a crash and it comes back that there was a fault with the suspension and someone has put a warrent on and its not certified, the person who put the warrent on can be up for a whole heaps of stuff and can have a serious impact on the business.

I wouldn't be putting a warrent on anything with adjustables if it wasn't fitted with them from factory.

[Alex B]

Personally i dont think it should need a cert. But if you have a crash do you want to be fighting your insurance company etc about this.

[vvega]

$&#$%. get over it. get a cert. saves alot of hassles in the long run

if you bought the car like that then make the dealer pay for it

atually pies its quite the oposite
having a cert will make more hassels than anything

[scope]

if you get cert for say an engine, then later on get adjustables and want them to be on the cert place too.. do you have to pay the full price again?

[FrEsH]

Pff don't get a cert....what a cop out..

I'd fight for this mate, i think they are in the wrong here and you sohuld not need the expenditure of a cert...good luck wiht it let us know how you get on

[pc]

"OE" is defined as (©LTSA 2004, VIRM: In-service Certification, Version 2, Amendment 1, March 2004): OE means original equipment fitted at the time of manufacture of the vehicle, or a part supplied by the vehicle manufacturer.

So unless this defintion has changed then TRD adjustibles shouldnt need a cert. I have invoices from TNZ for all my TRD stuff and they treat it just like any other Toyota part TNZ supply, actually I dont think the invoices even say that the parts are TRD it just has part numbers.

All said here I think. If it doesn't require a cert by law, then don't get one. vvega is also right. certed cars attract attention.
If it can be proven that the parts are OEM then get a note from toyota (or whatever) that says so and produce it at each WOF.
Better than going to your insurance company to get insurance for your 'heavily modified' car that requires a cert to make it legal.

[themaleman]

if you get cert for say an engine, then later on get adjustables and want them to be on the cert place too.. do you have to pay the full price again?

yes u have to pay full price again

[TRD_ZERO]

$&#$%. get over it. get a cert. saves alot of hassles in the long run

if you bought the car like that then make the dealer pay for it

Get over it?? Im not getting one if i dnt need to. If i was swimming in money no problem but im not so ill take the hard road. It was a Private sale.

Im off to the WOF place after work with the printed material that i hope can save my arse. Ill let you know how it all goes.

[TRD_ZERO]

Done i went to the warrent place and showed the guy the paperwork and he agreed and gave me a WOF after another quick look over the suspension. He Apoligised and i was on my way.

Well thanks for all the help Big Don and all the support from the rest bar a few of you

[big_boy]

this would be good if it could be put in FAQ as its a comenely asked question

[Bling]

good shit, good to see it worked out, i'd like to know if people saying to get a cert would actually get one themselves or do what you did I think we know what they'd do

[Caveman]

Well congrats on saving $400 dollars and setaling this debate.

vote FAQ

edit:

I also think the wof officer made the right decision both times, first to fail it as he would all other cars with height adjustment suspension... and the second time for willing to admit hes wrong and give the wof when proof is provided.

[Lloyd]

Its still not clear cut and would come down to the inspectors judegment on what the VIRM says. No point FAQing it if you guys have decided amongst yourself what means what

Secondly, if the guy didn't issue the warrent, then issued the warrent for the same suspension setup, how can you say he was right both times?