motor up

[79rolla]

iv seen them dam infomershals for motor up
i was ondering would it actuly do anything for my 4k?
or would it be a wast of time and money?

[Elmo]

MIGHT work, well, do some help, but when you work out how often you need to use it, it works out bloody expensive.

*going from what I remember reading many years ago*

[Lloyd]

There is no point to it anyway, if you change your oil when you should etc etc then there will be no point to additives

[Mr.Phreak]

Plus for the cost of a bottle, you could replace the 4k

[strx7]

I look at it this way, companys such as mobil, castrol etc spend MILLIONS possibly BILLIONS researching and developing new additives for their oils, surely if those additives were all they are cracked up to be, they'd be in the oil already?

[groupagt4]

additives do help got some nylon stuff and me car does seem to dupm less oil

[Dell'Orto]

I wouldnt use it in my lawnmower, enough said.

[Alex B]

They have a kp60 or something on the add. They take the sump off and run it while spraying water at it. What 4K cant do that??

[Si]

B is for bullshit:


Dura Lube, Motor Up Settle FTC Charges

Settlements Will Bar Deceptive and Unsubstantiated Performance Claims; Dura Lube to Pay $2 Million in Consumer Redress

Additive marketers Dura Lube and Motor Up, and their principals, have agreed to settle Federal Trade Commission charges that performance claims for their engine treatments were deceptive and unsubstantiated in violation of federal law. The two proposed settlements will bar false and unsubstantiated claims about the performance, benefits, efficacy, or attributes of these products. In addition, Dura Lube will pay $2 million in consumer redress to be distributed by the FTC. The FTC has previously halted allegedly deceptive ads for Prolong Engine Treatment, Valvoline Engine Treatment, Slick 50 Engine Treatment and STP Engine Treatment.

"Consumers deserve advertising that is truthful and performance claims that are substantiated," said Jodie Bernstein, Director of the FTC's Bureau of Consumer Protection. "The FTC intends to make sure they get it."

In FTC complaints issued against Motor Up on April 8, 1999 and Dura Lube on April 29, 1999, the agency alleged that the companies used false and unsubstantiated claims to promote their engine treatments. One administrative trial proceeded against Motor Up Corporation, its subsidiary Motor Up America, and their principal, Kyle Burns. Another went forward against Herman S. Howard, Scott Howard and six Dura Lube corporations they control. The proposed settlements announced today resolve those complaints and end the trial process.

The FTC alleged that both Dura Lube and Motor Up used labeling, packaging, infomercials, and other ads that represented, among other things, that compared to motor oil alone, their products reduce engine wear; extend engine life; and help prevent engine breakdowns or reduce the risk of serious engine damage when oil pressure is lost. The ads for both products also represented that they protect engines for up to 50,000 miles, according to the complaints. Motor Up ads also allegedly claimed that their product prevents engine corrosion, will not drain out from the engine even when the oil is changed, and protects against engine wear even without motor oil. Dura Lube ads allegedly claimed that their product reduces emissions and improves gas mileage by up to 35%. The FTC alleges that the companies did not possess or rely on competent and reliable evidence to substantiate any of their performance claims, and therefore the claims were deceptive.

Both Dura Lube and Motor Up ads showed tests and product demonstrations that they claimed "proved" the efficacy and superiority of their products. The FTC alleged that the tests did not prove the claims, and therefore the companies' assertions that they did were false.

Dura Lube ads featured a former NASA astronaut endorsing the product, allegedly representing that he had expertise in the evaluation of automobile engine lubrication and that he had endorsed Dura Lube on the basis of independent, objective and valid testing. The FTC alleged that the astronaut did not have that expertise and had not endorsed Dura Lube based on independent, objective or valid testing. In addition, the complaint contends Dura Lube falsely claimed that its product did not contain any chlorinated compound and that it had been tested by the Environmental Protection Agency.

The proposed settlements would bar Dura Lube and Motor Up and their principals from making any claims about the performance, benefits, efficacy, attributes or use of any automotive engine oil additive unless they possess competent and reliable evidence to support the claims. Both settlements also would bar misrepresentations about tests and the use of misleading or false demonstrations in connection with the marketing of any product for use in a motor vehicle.

The settlement with Dura Lube also would prohibit unsubstantiated performance claims for any product for use in a motor vehicle, and misleading or false demonstrations for any product. In addition, it would prohibit false claims that Dura Lube Engine Treatment contains no chlorinated compound or that it has been tested by the Environmental Protection Agency; and unsubstantiated claims that Dura Lube meets the requirements or standards of any government or standard-setting organization. It also would bar misrepresentations about the qualifications of product endorsers. The proposed settlement would require Dura Lube to notify product distributors in writing regarding the FTC complaint and order, visit distributors' facilities to replace Dura Lube labels and packaging with labels and packaging that comply with the order, and report to the FTC any distributor who disseminates Dura Lube claims in violation of the order. Finally, Dura Lube will pay $2 million in consumer redress.

The Motor Up settlement would prohibit unsubstantiated performance claims for any fuel treatment, motor oil, grease, transmission fluid, or brake fluid. Motor Up Corporation, Inc., is based in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. Motor Up America, Inc., a wholly owned subsidiary, is based in Stuart, Florida. Kyle Burns is president of Motor Up Corporation.

In addition to Herman S. Howard and Scott Howard, of Stamford, Connecticut, the FTC complaint named Stamford-based Dura Lube Corporation, Howe Laboratories, Inc., The Media Group, Inc., and National Communications Corporation, all of which played a role in marketing Dura Lube Engine Treatment. Also named are American Direct Marketing, Inc., based in Nashville, Tennessee, which markets the product directly to consumers, and Crescent Marketing, Inc., d/b/a Crescent Manufacturing, Inc., headquartered in Eden, New York, which manufactures and packages Dura Lube.

The Commission votes to accept the proposed settlements were 5-0 . An announcement regarding the proposed consent agreements will be published in the Federal Register shortly. The agreements will be subject to public comment for 30 days, until April 28, 2000, after which the Commission will decide whether to make them final. Comments should be addressed to the FTC, Office of the Secretary, 600 Pennsylvania Avenue, N.W., Washington, D.C. 20580.

[79rolla]

i thort that stuff sounded too good to be true
but i wasint expecting that

[Crucible]

There is no point to it anyway, if you change your oil when you should etc etc then there will be no point to additives

thats right!, and its interesting how they say "no oil changes required" hmmm what about metalic composites from wear? are they saying it desolves it.....HA!

[Stealer Of Souls]

I put motor up in a 2E.
Removed a small dip in the power delivery. Sounded smoother. Felt better to drive. Mileage appeared to have a small improvment (I recorded the mileage on every tank for that car, and for quite some time there was a small improvedment. But could've been due to anything.)

All subjective information.

Had similar results from changing the oil. But the motorup added to the results.
Use it. Make up your own mind.

I've also used the X-1R in the 4AGE... Similar results. Sounded a little better, marginal improvement in the feel. Nothing fantastic.

Currently tossing up whether or not to actually use any of these products on the reconditioned engine.

look at it this way, companys such as mobil, castrol etc spend MILLIONS possibly BILLIONS researching and developing new additives for their oils, surely if those additives were all they are cracked up to be, they'd be in the oil already?

A while ago a mechanic I knew who worked on race engines told us that te primary ingredient in motor up type additives are already added to the more expensive oils and race oils.
So all they were doing was pedalling the additive separately at a bloated price.