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Click here to see "My Black Hole" · by **Stealer Of Souls** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 11:05 am

Help!

Got some blacktop extractors (complete 4-2-1 section) and went to have them fitted up to the car. And the extractors hit on the starter!

I know you have to slot two of the bolt holes (sorted).

But no one has mentioned this problem before. Is this a common problem? What's the normal solution?

by **Jebus** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 11:25 am

Big Port or Smallport?

by **thegreatestben** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 12:49 pm

I had problems with 20v extractors onto a GZE, Don't suppose yours is one too?

by **no_8wire** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 2:41 pm

by taking your 16v one and cutting+grinding till you have the flange, and using it as a spacer plate.

by **AceSniper** » Mon Mar 26, 2007 4:01 pm

or have your starter on the intake side? :lol:

Click here to see "My Black Hole" · by **Stealer Of Souls** » Tue Mar 27, 2007 8:57 am

Jebus wrote:Big Port or Smallport?

Smallport AE92 Corolla hatch.

Acesniper wrote:or have your starter on the intake side?

Okay... the laughing smily is suspicious... are you serious or joking...

by **Distrb** » Tue Mar 27, 2007 9:03 am

Stealer Of Souls wrote:
Jebus wrote:Big Port or Smallport?
Smallport AE92 Corolla hatch.

Acesniper wrote:or have your starter on the intake side?
Okay... the laughing smily is suspicious... are you serious or joking...

well on the 20v's (where that manifold you're using, came from) they have the starter motor on the intake side of the block..

I ran into this problem when converting from bluetop to blacktop in my ae82. I was using the original gearbox that came in the car, so could only put the starter motor on the front.

Ended up slightly lengthening that piece of the manifold that runs through that section, and moving it towards the rest of the runners, creating just enough space to fit the starter. Can sell/swap you that bit if you want.

by **AceSniper** » Tue Mar 27, 2007 11:52 am

Yea, wasnt sure if you would have mountings on the intake side but thats the 20v way, also gets the starter away from some of the heat

Click here to see "My Black Hole" · by **Stealer Of Souls** » Tue Mar 27, 2007 12:44 pm

Distrb. No need, ended up going with some dirty old coby extractors. Seems to go well enough.

So does anyone know if you can swap the side the starter is on? The car has the normal AE92 box (C52). I think it would be well worth shifting it if I can.
And for that matter, I wonder if it can be swapped on the 86....

by **Distrb** » Tue Mar 27, 2007 1:23 pm

Stealer Of Souls wrote:Distrb. No need, ended up going with some dirty old coby extractors. Seems to go well enough.

So does anyone know if you can swap the side the starter is on? The car has the normal AE92 box (C52). I think it would be well worth shifting it if I can.
And for that matter, I wonder if it can be swapped on the 86....

I've never tried it. But if you tried swapping which side the starter is on, on a 16v in fwd config, i think you'll run into problems with the pipe that comes out the back of the water pump, and runs along the back of the block, directly through where a starter would sit on the intake side.

is there somewhere on the bellhousing on a t series box that would let you bolt a starter up to it?

Click here to see "My Black Hole" · by **Stealer Of Souls** » Tue Mar 27, 2007 2:19 pm

Could be an interesting exercise. I'll have to have a good look at the t50 to see if it could be done.

As for the 16V... It makes me wonder what it would take to make the change. Moving water lines and WHY may or may not be a big challenge... Perhaps a virtual re-pipe... My brains a whirring now... Dammit... Can't look into this for a little while...

by **no_8wire** » Tue Mar 27, 2007 4:15 pm

I shifted my starter to the intake side.
The water pipes are no biggie, the biggest thing is that the engine needs to be out of the car to do it and separated from the gearbox so you can either bolt up a fe/or silvertop backing plate or cut the new hole in your old one on the intake side.

Oh and you need to use the silvertop starter, cant use your old one.

Santa's TardMe Listings · by **Santa'sBoostinSleigh** » Tue Mar 27, 2007 4:25 pm

convieniently i have both a ST backing plate and starter for sale

AW11 Track Toy · by **Caveman** » Tue Mar 27, 2007 4:41 pm

if you have smallport with external oil drain you cant do it unless you mod the drain pipe (significantly)

by **no_8wire** » Tue Mar 27, 2007 4:42 pm

On the block?

AW11 Track Toy · by **Caveman** » Tue Mar 27, 2007 4:44 pm

no_8wire wrote:On the block?

huh? There is a pipe running from the bottom of the head to the mid section of the block right where the starter is going. IIRC you are using a frakenstien block with a smallport head and bigport bottom end so I hope you blocked the oil hole in the head.

by **no_8wire** » Tue Mar 27, 2007 4:46 pm

nope...running the line straight from the head to the oil pan...

AW11 Track Toy · by **Caveman** » Tue Mar 27, 2007 4:49 pm

no_8wire wrote:nope...running the line straight from the head to the oil pan...

yep good idea, standard smallport block and head blocks the starter position.

by **Cakky** » Tue Mar 27, 2007 6:56 pm

i'm running my starter on the intake side using blacktop sandwich plate and my standard gearbox ( c52 ) but yeah unless your pulling the engine or gearbox out it thats not really going to work lol

Click here to see "My Black Hole" · by **Stealer Of Souls** » Tue Mar 27, 2007 7:08 pm

It's just one of those times that you wish someone had mentioned this before in one of the previous 20V extractor on 16V engine posts...

Especially since the car recently had the gearbox off and out of the car for replacement...

Oh well... Perhaps someone can add more detail about the swap and FAQ this to save others...

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