New import laws

[mister2]

Anyone who thinks that global warming is man made should keep an open mind: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid ... ng+swindle

This has nothing (well, hardly anything) to do with global warming.

Emissions are NOx, CO, HC. Global warming is concerned with CO2.

Cheers

[sergei]

Oh but they are not concerned about those emmisions, they are more interested in CO2 tax .

[pc]

Does this mean if I want an EVO6 I have to bring it in before the end of the year?
Dorks!! If they maintain the status quo, then importers will continue to only import vehicles that they can make money on... and in a couple of years the cars that are brought in that are pre 2000 will be minimal anyway.
Also the japanese tend to get rid of their cars around the 7 year mark because of taxation changes, so in 2 years most new imports will comply anyway.

[vvega]

Anyone who thinks that global warming is man made should keep an open mind: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4499562022478442170&q=global+warming+swindle

sergie that is $&#$% awsome

[Mad Murphy]

Farm animals make more CO2 than Cars anyway. Why do we have to suffer and farmers get it easy?

[matt dunn]

Farm animals make more CO2 than Cars anyway. Why do we have to suffer and farmers get it easy?

Ever seen a cat converter fiited to a cow's bum?

[79rolla]

Ever seen a cat converter fiited to a cow's bum?

lol the co2 moastly cums from there burps i think and they made sum contraption to hep with that i think but do you no how many farmes would go bankrupt if they were coplsery and the goverment wodiint be alot better if they subsidiesd it
lol they spend much on resherch for that
(sorry bout shit spellin)

[chch34]

Anyone who thinks that global warming is man made should keep an open mind: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4499562022478442170&q=global+warming+swindle

This must be how it felt finding out santa was a fraud, thats an awesome video...

[Voodoo]

Anyone who thinks that global warming is man made should keep an open mind: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4499562022478442170&q=global+warming+swindle

This must be how it felt finding out santa was a fraud, thats an awesome video...

yup, very interesting vid, a big to the media and goverments

[mister2]

Come on fellas, that is like the "we didn't go to the moon/911 was a massive government coverup" conspiracy theories. Scientific consensus (from looking at ALL the published papers on the subject in peer reviewed journals, 99% agreed with the hypothesis that we are changing the climate) is that there is an effect there.

Now it is debateable as to how much we're changing it, whether it has been worse in the past, whether we can do anything about it, whether we want to do anything about it, and I'm not getting into that.

However this has NOTHING to do with import laws regarding emissions. If that was the case there would be a minimum fuel efficiency standard, and larger engines would effectively be banned. But it is not, the standards talked about are to do with levels of NOx, CO, and HC; which can be changed through technology.

CO2 emissions are essentially fixed from an engine - from power produced and efficiency! Can't do a great deal about them!

IE under the import laws you will still be able to buy a 6.2L V12 Murciélago, providing it meets NOx, CO, and HC levels - but this will produce a TRUCKLOAD more CO2 than, say, a Prius.

[sergei]

My point is that new laws will not reduce emissions, but will increase them because people will not be able to afford to buy newer vehicle and continue to use the cars which would be pickapart items otherwise.

[sergei]

Oh and someone commented about another "conspiracy theory" regarding my link to that video clip.
Well I tell you one thing - since my 1st year in school (obviously not in New Zealand since kiwi don't start really teaching kids till an age of 14) I remember on science subject they were teaching us about how weather works and the main point was that water vapour regulated temperature due to green house effect. There were no mention of CO2. Think about how much there is water in air vs CO2. Also after about 2 or 3 years in Physics class when we were covering astronomy, there was a mention about sun spots and their effect on weather with exact same time line.
Also I had a science book, which covered anything from stability island to sun spots, from superconductivity to electron-positron pair, which was published 1965 which also mentions the sun spot and temperature link.
This is why I believe that video is pretty spot on real thing.

Don't forget that a few million years ago dragon flies were 1m long and Antarctic was an tropical resort (exaggerating), I guess this all changed due to dinos driving petrol guzzlers.

People are so full of themselves that they forget scale of the things.
As mentioned in article 1 volcano puts out a lot more pollution than humans do. How many volcanoes are active in the world? What about forest fires (natural thing)? Or those underwater ocean vents?

[Voodoo]

maybe its all false, but its proven that the earth has gone though many climatic changes over time without human intervention , so why not now

[vvega]

Come on fellas, that is like the "we didn't go to the moon/911 was a massive government coverup" conspiracy theories. Scientific consensus (from looking at ALL the published papers on the subject in peer reviewed journals, 99% agreed with the hypothesis that we are changing the climate) is that there is an effect there.

Now it is debateable as to how much we're changing it, whether it has been worse in the past, whether we can do anything about it, whether we want to do anything about it, and I'm not getting into that.

However this has NOTHING to do with import laws regarding emissions. If that was the case there would be a minimum fuel efficiency standard, and larger engines would effectively be banned. But it is not, the standards talked about are to do with levels of NOx, CO, and HC; which can be changed through technology.

CO2 emissions are essentially fixed from an engine - from power produced and efficiency! Can't do a great deal about them!

IE under the import laws you will still be able to buy a 6.2L V12 Murciélago, providing it meets NOx, CO, and HC levels - but this will produce a TRUCKLOAD more CO2 than, say, a Prius.

due you of all peopl shoul know physics is phyics chem is chem and sience is how we understand things
simply put there arguement holds much water because it used siebce to back it up
the moon landings ae all opinions and conjecture

the things they state in thre are facts...the greatest increase in temp is during a non idustrail period etc ...
there has already been global heatwaves...cold snaps....why do we as humans think that we matter ?
its juat another way to get money from a load of crap.......

wayne

[the fallen303]

how would the importing cars older than 20 or is it 30 years come into this? importing them as classics, etc? if thats the case, it's only another 6 or so years till you can import an early 90's car as a classic if it's 20 years, and frankly, cars after about 95 turned to shit, so who cares about them anyway

[~SlideWays~]

Does this mean if I want an EVO6 I have to bring it in before the end of the year?
Dorks!! If they maintain the status quo, then importers will continue to only import vehicles that they can make money on... and in a couple of years the cars that are brought in that are pre 2000 will be minimal anyway.
Also the japanese tend to get rid of their cars around the 7 year mark because of taxation changes, so in 2 years most new imports will comply anyway.

You and me both! Wonder if Mr Japan will do a group buy...of 2?

PS: I've been looking into prices and 5's and 6's aren't much cheaper to import than buying here


Back on topic. Eat a cow, save the world.

[B ROWDY]

From the compliance point of view all we have to do is prove that at the time the vehicle was produced it met the emssion standards, when they are complied however they are not in any way tested to see if they still meet the standard they were built to as the equipment for testing is far too expensive, we only check the exhaust system for leaks/damage/rust etc, so pretty much all we need to do is prove that say a '02 subbie has the original system it was fitted with that complied with exhaust emission laws at time of manufacture................it doesnt have to meet it now as we have no way of testing it, so its basically a big pile of bollocks

[mister2]

Ok, lets for a moment assume that you guys are right. So then where are the JOURNAL PUBLISHED, PEER REVIEWED papers debunking the link between CO2 production and temperature?

There are far far far brighter people than me studying this area, and they publish their results in academic journals. To my knowledge, the vast majority of the JOURNAL PUBLISHED, PEER REVIEWED papers support the hypothesis that CO2 production is linked to temperature.

Also, to cover my ass, I did say:

Now it is debateable as to how much we're changing it, whether it has been worse in the past, whether we can do anything about it, whether we want to do anything about it, and I'm not getting into that.

Note that I did not say that the climate is static or has been static in the past. I definitely think that climate science is far far far more complex than people (especially TV program making people) give it credit for.

I (personally) fully subscribe to the ice core records of temperature and think that, as a race, we've been bloody lucky with the climate. I don't think we're going to ramp down fossil fuel use anyway, not until it becomes economically unviable/find a cheaper replacement.

Personally, I think we're living in interesting times haha.

Nick

[B ROWDY]

You lost me at OK Nick

[Mr Revhead]

on't forget that a few million years ago dragon flies were 1m long and Antarctic was an tropical resort (exaggerating), I guess this all changed due to dinos driving petrol guzzlers.

scientists beleive dinosaur farts to be the cause of that.
you know how bad cow farts are for us...... imagine a dinosuar sized cow
watch where you step