mega grunty honda motors

MacrosSiR · Post by **MacrosSiR** » Wed Jun 06, 2007 9:03 pm

true

ah well i cant find any.

IH8TEC · Post by **IH8TEC** » Wed Jun 06, 2007 9:13 pm

Lith wrote:Formula Atlantics come up in many articles - it proves a point. B16As and 4AGEs can both make 240hp NA....

yeah but the honda ones dont need to be rebuild anywhere near as much as the atlantic 4age

fivebob · Post by **fivebob** » Wed Jun 06, 2007 9:16 pm

IH8TEC wrote:
Lith wrote:Formula Atlantics come up in many articles - it proves a point. B16As and 4AGEs can both make 240hp NA....

yeah but the honda ones dont need to be rebuild anywhere near as much as the atlantic 4age

Any motor making in excess of 150HP per litre needs rebuilding on a regular basis. That sort of power output isn't conducive to longevity.

Post by **Mr Revhead** » Wed Jun 06, 2007 9:23 pm

very true....

dunno about honda ones not needing rebuilding as much though
use them the same and youll prob be rebuilding them both jsut as much
btw the atlantic motors didnt NEED rebuilding as much as a lot of ppl think....
its just in a $$$ high profile class, if you have the $$ you do it just in case....

anyway, i want to clarify here:

1600= b16 and b20
1800 = b18
2000= ?

and iv missed?

Lith · Post by **Lith** » Wed Jun 06, 2007 9:25 pm

Mr Revhead wrote:anyway, i want to clarify here:

1600= b16 and b20
1800 = b18
2000= ?

Of the ones that tend to get modded:

1600 = ZC/D16A/B16A/B16B (B20 is just plonkers going off topic - its a two litre. The 200whp one I referred to maintained 1600cc iirc)
1800 = B18C/B18CR/B16B
2000 = F20B/F20C/B20B/K20A

RomanV · Post by **RomanV** » Wed Jun 06, 2007 9:27 pm

flygt4 wrote:i remember someone dynod a single vvti engine in an mr2, so same sorta drivetrain losses , at ~125wkw with a pretty average tune.

That would be me, 125kw ATW with a vaccuum leak, and incorrect AFM readings due to my bodge intake, over 15:1 AFR

It's running much better now that I've fixed vaccum leak and gone to standard airbox, going back to the dyno next month.

bOi · Post by **bOi** » Wed Jun 06, 2007 10:21 pm

Defective wrote:haha, how about a K20A powered ae111.... now that would be interesting... Not sure who would get more pissed... honda people or toyota people...

Thought of that, but i probably get shot doing it hahah

Brick · Post by **Brick** » Wed Jun 06, 2007 10:30 pm

4-AGE 4-LIFE wrote:I am just about to complete my rebuilt 20V RPM screamer, has had full porting job, huge cams, adj cam gears, balanced bottom end, link G3 going in for dyno on friday afternoon.

all the other usuall stuff, acid dip race bearings etc etc.

thats pretty much wat my 16v has so it wouldbe good to see what power you make. But what compression has yours got

groupagt4 · Post by **groupagt4** » Wed Jun 06, 2007 10:51 pm

wheres that dude from south africa wernt they doing some crazy quaters with there 4age motors(might have been turbo though

mr2_t · Post by **mr2_t** » Wed Jun 06, 2007 11:08 pm

Mr Revhead wrote:whats a k20 in again?

Aren't they in the latest Elise/Exige as well?

ISTR a Lotus guy at a trackday mentioning that they had a mixture of the rover K Series, the 1800 from the Celica/Corolla GT , and the Honda k20?

bOi · Post by **bOi** » Thu Jun 07, 2007 2:21 am

the exige s has the 1.8 from celica but supercharged. The normal elise uses the 1.8

got it from http://www.lotuscars.com

barryogen · Post by **barryogen** » Thu Jun 07, 2007 8:22 am

bOi wrote:the exige s has the 1.8 from celica but supercharged. The normal elise uses the 1.8

got it from http://www.lotuscars.com

That would be either the 1zzfe or the 2zzge.
In the lotus, they come in both NA and supercharged guise, on both engine options.
Both are 1.8L, different bore/stroke(1zz longer stroke, torque is a few 1000 RPM lower than 2zz).
The 1zz is vvt-i the 2zz is vvtl-i

Both designed by Yamaha.

Post by **Mr Revhead** » Thu Jun 07, 2007 8:30 am

not "designed" by yamaha as such
but rather yamaha had input in the cyl head. iirc.
theres a good doco on it somewhere....

Post by **Mr Revhead** » Thu Jun 07, 2007 9:17 am

here it is

http://www.mmsport.com.au/download.php?fid=34

at the end they acknowledge yamaha for assistance in development

fivebob · Post by **fivebob** » Thu Jun 07, 2007 9:21 am

Mr Revhead wrote:not "designed" by yamaha as such
but rather yamaha had input in the cyl head. iirc.
theres a good doco on it somewhere....

Beat me to it

here's the 1zz-fe one
http://www.users.on.net/~fivebob/documents/1zzfe.pdf

Post by **Mr Revhead** » Thu Jun 07, 2007 9:25 am

and FAQ'd http://forums.toyspeed.org.nz/viewtopic.php?p=578814#578814

RomanV · Post by **RomanV** » Thu Jun 07, 2007 9:40 am

On my gen 4 3SGEs, the cam belt covers say two things...

'3SGE' in big writing at the top, and 'YAMAHA' in small writing at the bottom.

Racinghard · Post by **Racinghard** » Thu Jun 07, 2007 9:41 am

ok ok, well If you want to compere 1800cc then I raced a Integra in my '01 celica and my car had so much more pull than his it wasn't funny, got up to around 190kmh (I mean 100km/h for all you cops out there :roll:

) and then a corner came up quick.
my celica has 180bhp and no mods at all on it. It also has lether trim in it. haha.
My mate is pritty hard out into his honda's and he was in my car when we went to Whangamata one day. and through the hills he was pritty quiet! (I I have be racing for 13-14 years tho, my bad)
and they guy that brought up the highly over rated Altezers, a good 16v could have it.the only good thing about that car is that it has a nice butt on it! :lol:

Hondas are completly different than 'us'. completly differnet power and I dont no about u but i feel like i'm in a tin can when im in a honda. it's just to light!
btw my mate has draged his GF's car (black top 5 speed) and was doing 14.7.
also I have to say this but if we are talking small motors then I have seen a 1500 (or maby 1600cc) V12 Formula one motor. well over 1000hp. but those motors blew up on the start line soooo meany times!

but you cant compare anything to F1 anyway! Coz I dont think anyone has the money they do!

There is also a guy in my old team with a Daihatsu mira. t4 turbo, 4wd, traction control, launch control and the shell is made from carborn fiber! 0 - 100 kmh in 2.5 seconds! btw its only 3-cylinder 989 cc DOHC 12-valve!

Just finished putting my sliver top in my ae92 corolla fxgt. and yes the 20v is better. worth all the #$% words! It has just a constant pull back in the seat!
well I no that someone will say something after this about something. It's my own compinion!

(sorry about the spelling, I race, I dont spell!) :oops:

Post by **Mr Revhead** » Thu Jun 07, 2007 9:50 am

this isnt a honda v toyota thread :wink:

this is a thread on high power honda engines
so lets head back on topic

btw im still waiting for 1600cc b16as with 240hp

Racinghard · Post by **Racinghard** » Thu Jun 07, 2007 9:55 am

my bad. sorry.
Guy i no has 200kw in his integra. spent about 8g's on it tho. and it's na.
don't no about b16a.
oh yea i do. but he hit a pile of dirt when he was getting away from the 'nice guys' :lol:

before he turboed it, it was about 220hp I think.