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Postby mikeBrotherd » Tue Jun 19, 2007 7:14 pm

Okay, to start with, can i afford it?? Im looking for a JZA70 front cut (witch would make the whole conversion a walk in the park), can anyone get them? And at what cost?

Secondly, below is what my current engine x-member mount look like,
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would they be compatible with the 1jz engine mounts if i didn't have the luxury of a JZA70 F/C? (This is a 89 Supra MA70)

Thirdly, seeing as i want to keep the 1jz relatively stock (again assuming i cant get the JZA70 F/C), would it be easier and more viable option for me to goto a W58 box or just plain stick with the factory R154? (i realize allot of that depends on the drivers habits, but i want to hear from experience)

Can anyone think of any cons and pros to doing this conversion? (Apart from being allot of fun :twisted: )
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Postby blackmk3 » Tue Jun 19, 2007 8:18 pm

With your car being a 1989 and having the round engine mounts the 1j will bolt straight in, as long as the engine has the jza70 mounts on the motor, not one from a soarer or something

If i was going to do this on my supra i would personally save the $ and get a full front cut with the R154 since your doing it (and since your auto now) it gives you all the bits you need for the manual conversion. and finding jz parts for a w-series is difficult and expensive and all the other manual related parts. Then if you do shift it hard or the 1J dosent stay in stock form for long you dont have to worry about scooping up ur w-series box internals from the road...

Pros : You will always sell the old 7m specially if in good nick plenty of BHG, spun bearing victim MA70's out there with people looking for a new motor

Cons : Cost of a front cut, could go toward modifying your 7m to be reliable and powerful

The 7m isnt as bad as people say, thats why im sticking with it 8)
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Postby big_boy » Tue Jun 19, 2007 8:51 pm

blackmk3 wrote:The 7m isnt as bad as people say, thats why im sticking with it 8)


x2

much easyer & you know exactley what you have got
The faster you go the quicker you get there

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Postby the fallen303 » Tue Jun 19, 2007 9:15 pm

if you're not going to bother modding the 1jz, why bother? spend the money of the conversion in a few go fast bits on the 7m, exhaust, i/c, maybe a t04e upgrade if you can be arsed, and convert the 7m to manual if you really don't like the auto. go just as well, and a shite load less hassle, and don't have to piss around with certing, etc.
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Postby mikeBrotherd » Tue Jun 19, 2007 9:30 pm

hmmmm, well i really do want to do some major conversion to it...mainly because i live in a small town and there is sweet FA to do, but i like the town because its quiet :wink:

I would be doing the basics to the 1JZ if i went to it (exhaust, IC, lightened flywheel & maybe a single turbo conversion. To me i thank thats relatively stock (aside from the single turb conversion).

and don't have to piss around with certing, etc.

I have no problems with getting it certified, i would prefer it was %100 legal :)

you know exactley what you have got

What do you mean by that? If i had a 1JZ, i would know i had a 1JZ... :D

Well....does anyone know how, where or who to talk to about JZA70 front cuts? (i have had a look in Aus and they have a couple floating around, but if i can get one in NZ i may save some $$ here and there :roll:
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Postby blackmk3 » Tue Jun 19, 2007 10:36 pm

mikeBrotherd wrote:hmmmm, well i really do want to do some major conversion to it...mainly because i live in a small town and there is sweet FA to do, but i like the town because its quiet :wink:

you know exactley what you have got

What do you mean by that? If i had a 1JZ, i would know i had a 1JZ... :D

Well....does anyone know how, where or who to talk to about JZA70 front cuts? (i have had a look in Aus and they have a couple floating around, but if i can get one in NZ i may save some $$ here and there :roll:


He means if you have a 7m thats running in good mechanical condition why change it? for a unknown conditon 1J? J series motors break down also, no oil changes in japan, unknown engine history, but dont get me wrong im no anti JZ series there bloody awesome motors

The 1J however is a much more reliable motor than the 7M, but when it comes to power the 7M will make equal power for equal modifications as the 1J, just the 1J has a 50HP headstart

A mate of mine was looking at a RB25DET front cut a while back and he contacted a company in aussie that had a customer they deal with in auckland and they said it was no problem to have the front cut sent from japan to auckland instead of aussie, maybe contact them and see if they can do something along those lines?
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Postby mikeBrotherd » Tue Jun 19, 2007 11:34 pm

Yeah, i see what you mean now. Well im not actually sure my motor is all that, its done 182,000kms (including the time from when it was rebuilt), has run a big end in the past when it was then completely rebuilt 50,000kms ago. Head was reported soft, slightly below specifications & i wouldn't have any idea how well the head is torqued down. On the upside the turbo has been rebuilt less then 10,000kms ago 8)

So with that info, would you say go for it & build from that, starting with a metal head gasket? ARP head studs? Would you suggest i get another head or stick with the one i have? There is one on TradeMe for sale ATM (http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing ... =104088895). Upgrade the intercooler to something like whats on this auction (http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing ... =104995266)

Secondly, how hard is it to get the gear needed to drop an R154 behind a 7M? (Correct clutch pedal, speedo drive to the auto dash, driveshaft, etc) I found this R154 on trademe at the moment (http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motor ... 92.htm?p=4). As you can see im quite full of questions about this, i spent allot of time around the AE85/6 scene and didn't get into supra's much :roll:




Thanks for the help everyone! You have given me a clearer idea of what i should try and do first :P
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Postby blackmk3 » Wed Jun 20, 2007 3:22 pm

Well with a motor of that condition, dodgy head unknown head condition and most likely whoever did the head work retorqued it to 55ft lbs :roll:

i would certantly expect a BHG sometime in the future..

For a metal head gasket you need to have the head and block perfactly flat and have a very smooth RA surface, so in other words you need to do a full rebuild again, you cant just put a metal head gasket down

My 7m blew a headgasket a year and a half ago, so i had the head plained and put a geneuin toyota gasket down with ARP studs and shes still going strong with no sign of BHG

You could just do this if your nervous about a BHG

As for 2nd hand heads i wouldnt trust it pretty much every 7m out there has a BHG who knows how much has been plained off the head, warpage etc, new heads from toyota are around $900

That intercooler will fit fine in the front of your supra but not alot of it will get airflow...most of the cooler will behind the bumper and bumper support

7M gear for the R154 is rare and expensive, but if you have the $ it can be done, clutches are also very expensive. tracking down a manual pedal box is getting hard for the mk3

check out www.supramania.com they will answer alot of your questions as the amercians are doing this all the time
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Postby Toymad » Thu Jun 21, 2007 10:14 am

You may want to read some of the info at this site. I know it's for a 2JZ into the MA70, but parts of it may guide you in the swap if you go ahead.

http://www.supras.nl/index.php?option=c ... &Itemid=50
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Postby mikeBrotherd » Thu Jun 21, 2007 1:05 pm

Thanks, i have already read that, but its VERY useful information.

I think i will go though with a 1JZ-GTE conversion, im now going through the arduous task of finding a front cut, if anyone else wants one, tell me now and i can ask the suppliers at the same time :)

(a little off the subject) i installed a boost gauge last night to see exactly how much pressure my turbo was pushing, turns out its only just making 6PSI of boost.... :?
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Postby deaf_rattle » Thu Jun 21, 2007 1:11 pm

7mgtes run very low boost standard.

id stick with the 7mgte, you have no guarantees that the 1jz isnt going to shi t itself either.

Might as well stick with the devil you know.
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Postby mikeBrotherd » Thu Jun 21, 2007 1:25 pm

haha, i did think hard about it, but seeing as i do want to go to manual, and to find all the gear to do it sounds like a down rite prick!

Maybe i should just buy this and convert it to manual?> http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motor ... 73.htm?p=3


I can make computers, wire in engines but cant make my mind up on what motor and box i want to use :roll: Im willing to take the risk with going to a 1JZ, after all its the things life throws at us that makes it interesting :wink:
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Postby blackmk3 » Thu Jun 21, 2007 1:52 pm

Go 1J and R154, your 7M is dodgy lol and if you want reliable power longterm the 1J is the way to go

Just hope that the 1J that you get is in good condition! or you will have to rebuild that, and in that case would of been much cheaper sticking with the 7M

Trust me....dont turn the boost up!
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Postby MrOizo » Thu Jun 21, 2007 2:40 pm

mikeBrotherd wrote:Maybe i should just buy this and convert it to manual?> http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motor ... 73.htm?p=3


Maybe you shouldnt - i working on getting that :(
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Postby mikeBrotherd » Thu Jun 21, 2007 2:57 pm

Ohh :twisted:

Its yours, i don't really like the targa top very much :( If it was a hard top though, would be fair game :wink:

Maybe once iv done my conversion, we should compare them down the track? 8)
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Postby deaf_rattle » Thu Jun 21, 2007 3:43 pm

nothing wrong with turning the boost up on a 7mgte, just gotta be smart about it like most other turbo engines.

i plan on running about 16-18psi
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Postby mikeBrotherd » Thu Jun 21, 2007 5:54 pm

Well i had thought about it, and if were to do something with the 7M-GTE, it would be buy a new head, secondly i would try find some stage one or two cams, i would install new ARP components to hold it all together. Then i would think about a TO4E turbo running at 9~11PSI, then i would use an electronic boost controller to do some trimming. And if all went well and i could find a lexus AFM, put that into the twisted mess :roll:
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Postby deaf_rattle » Thu Jun 21, 2007 6:33 pm

no need for aftermarket cams, im not planning on running them.
im aiming for 300rwkws too 8)
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Postby blackmk3 » Thu Jun 21, 2007 9:15 pm

deaf_rattle wrote:nothing wrong with turning the boost up on a 7mgte, just gotta be smart about it like most other turbo engines.

i plan on running about 16-18psi


yeah certantly no problem with turning the boost up, but not on a unknown condition head/gasket etc = not good
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