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Postby lee90 » Sat Jun 23, 2007 11:02 pm

solitaire wrote:
lee90 wrote:is there a eazy way out of 200Hp at the engine then
To be honest... no - Generally 100hp/litre at the wheels is bloody good for a NA (Naturally aspirated) engine. If you want more than that you are looking at a very tight power band (the rev range where you get power)
lee90 wrote:do you guys think it's an good idea to do it your self, I was thinking to do it but I would not know what the hell I am doing.
Unless your really interested in doing because you want to do it yourself (and have the time to learn) pay someone to do it...

so i take it you are hoping to build a show car is that right man?


yeah I am sure I am goign though this I have to do some stuff by my self to save abit more money other wise what can I do spend another 10,000K 8O :(
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Postby Dragger_Dan » Sun Jun 24, 2007 12:40 pm

You don't need a turbo to go fast. Sure, you'll make more power with a turbo application, but there is nothing wrong with the whole 'allmotor' idea. 200hp might be a bit of a high target, but don't forget that not many people here would have even tried, so don't take their advice as gospel.
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Postby lee90 » Sun Jun 24, 2007 6:35 pm

Dragger_Dan wrote:You don't need a turbo to go fast. Sure, you'll make more power with a turbo application, but there is nothing wrong with the whole 'allmotor' idea. 200hp might be a bit of a high target, but don't forget that not many people here would have even tried, so don't take their advice as gospel.


thanks man I know 200HP for black top is aiming abit high.
but I try to keep the cost down as well so I have to really think about what I am doing.
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Postby DJ » Sun Jun 24, 2007 7:30 pm

This thread hurts my brain. :lol:

Do you need 200hp? Just put a AE101 4AGZE in there and improve the internals / SC14 S/C.

Or buy a beams 3SGE if you want it N/A
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Postby Mr Revhead » Sun Jun 24, 2007 7:50 pm

200hp from a blacktop? not impossible i think.

cheap? depends on your version of cheap....
this reaction:
yeah I am sure I am goign though this I have to do some stuff by my self to save abit more money other wise what can I do spend another 10,000K 8O

tells me no....

do it yourself...... if you had to start this thread.... then no.

quick add up of some basic parts
ecu and tune $2000
cams $1100
pistons $1000
rods $1000

hell we just spent 5k with out even trying.....
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Postby solitaire » Sun Jun 24, 2007 8:02 pm

lee90 wrote:
Dragger_Dan wrote:You don't need a turbo to go fast. Sure, you'll make more power with a turbo application, but there is nothing wrong with the whole 'allmotor' idea. 200hp might be a bit of a high target, but don't forget that not many people here would have even tried, so don't take their advice as gospel.


thanks man I know 200HP for black top is aiming abit high.
but I try to keep the cost down as well so I have to really think about what I am doing.


Just out of interest... has your financial position changed mate?
When we originally started this conversation a few months ago we said you would be best to sell it and buy a bz-g you said that money was not a factor and that you wanted to convert your fz.... then you spent up large on a body kit, seats & shopping trolley handle...

Im just trying to understand your thought process... youve done all the things that dont actually effect your performance and you seem focused on big horse power...

If you had said you where more focused on rice i wouldnt be asking this question... but you have said you are focused on horse power and your current photos suggests the focus is elsewhere...
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Postby lee90 » Sun Jun 24, 2007 8:18 pm

solitaire wrote:
lee90 wrote:
Dragger_Dan wrote:You don't need a turbo to go fast. Sure, you'll make more power with a turbo application, but there is nothing wrong with the whole 'allmotor' idea. 200hp might be a bit of a high target, but don't forget that not many people here would have even tried, so don't take their advice as gospel.


thanks man I know 200HP for black top is aiming abit high.
but I try to keep the cost down as well so I have to really think about what I am doing.


Just out of interest... has your financial position changed mate?
When we originally started this conversation a few months and we said you would be best to sell it and buy a bz-g you said that money was not a factor and that you wanted to convert your fz.... then you spent up large on a body kit, seats & shopping trolley handle...

Im just trying to understand your thought process... youve done all the things that dont actually effect your performance and you seem focused on big horse power...


well awile ago I was thing to do up the engine.but my wife wouldn't let me so I keep bothering her for up grading the the car a new engine so this time she agreed that I can do what ever i want.

man if I do up the engine I still have to do the the body anyways.
I want to make it something special. so what was my last thought about it.

well I wish i can get 200hp which my bros car is 750HP at the wheels and it's a 6.2L engine some crazy power. well I guess I got influnced by my bro.
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Postby Dragger_Dan » Sun Jun 24, 2007 9:04 pm

Mr Revhead wrote:quick add up of some basic parts
ecu and tune $2000
cams $1100
pistons $1000
rods $1000

hell we just spent 5k with out even trying.....


Yes, but:
ecu and tune $2000
manifolds $1000
turbo $500
wastegate and bov $500
IC and piping $500

I think that's a fairly conservative estimate and gets pretty close in terms of cost.

But it is apples and oranges.
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Postby Alex B » Sun Jun 24, 2007 9:06 pm

Cost of the engine in the first place and labour arnt there either.
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Postby solitaire » Sun Jun 24, 2007 9:49 pm

We are forgetting the cost of the manual conversion as well...
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Postby lee90 » Sun Jun 24, 2007 10:21 pm

pyro_sniper2002 wrote:Cost of the engine in the first place and labour arnt there either.


i THINK IT'S GOIGN TO BE A HARD OUT JOB JUST TO SAY THAT AT LEAST A GOOD 10,000k -.-" dus any one know some one that I can trust to do this kind of job?
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Postby solitaire » Sun Jun 24, 2007 10:43 pm

lee90 wrote:
pyro_sniper2002 wrote:Cost of the engine in the first place and labour arnt there either.


i THINK IT'S GOIGN TO BE A HARD OUT JOB JUST TO SAY THAT AT LEAST A GOOD 10,000k -.-" dus any one know some one that I can trust to do this kind of job?

I think you should factor in a grand to spend on your good lady... i know what my misus would of said if i tried to buy an automatic non turbo mr2 and tried to make it a manual turbo :wink:
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Postby flying_wedge » Mon Jun 25, 2007 1:06 am

solitaire wrote:I think you should factor in a grand to spend on your good lady...

Agreed :lol: :lol:
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Postby matt dunn » Mon Jun 25, 2007 1:26 am

solitaire wrote:i know what my misus would of said if i tried to buy an automatic non turbo mr2 and tried to make it a manual turbo :wink:



Trying to do that ends up with a manual MR2 turbo that costs twice as much and goes half a good as a genuine article.
Trying to convert a low spec model to the smae as a high spec model that already exists is just dumb IMO.

I gather from skim reading this that he has a 4AFE auto?

If you want to change it to a 200HP manual,

best thing to do by far, is buy a 20V manual the same colour and swap your body kit onto it, will be cheaper and better in the long run.

It's all the little things that are different that will be a PITA.
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Postby Grrrrrrr! » Mon Jun 25, 2007 11:40 am

matt dunn wrote:best thing to do by far, is buy a 20V manual the same colour and swap your body kit onto it, will be cheaper and better in the long run.

It's all the little things that are different that will be a PITA.


thats step 1, then step 2 would be the 4agze front cut for the motor transplant.

sure, its been done a few thousand times before, but its cheap and it works. And since i gather its intended to be a show pony i assume it will end up packed full off ICE gear.... not something a peaky 200+hp NA engine is going to work well with.

Heavy car + peaky NA motor with SFA low down power + hillstart in the wet.. oh the fun.
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Postby lee90 » Mon Jun 25, 2007 1:37 pm

Grrrrrrr! wrote:
matt dunn wrote:best thing to do by far, is buy a 20V manual the same colour and swap your body kit onto it, will be cheaper and better in the long run.

It's all the little things that are different that will be a PITA.


thats step 1, then step 2 would be the 4agze front cut for the motor transplant.

sure, its been done a few thousand times before, but its cheap and it works. And since i gather its intended to be a show pony i assume it will end up packed full off ICE gear.... not something a peaky 200+hp NA engine is going to work well with.

Heavy car + peaky NA motor with SFA low down power + hillstart in the wet.. oh the fun.


hi guys how about i just bought the BZ-G crached car the hole car and changed it over to my car I got the car for cheap like $700 for the car.
the engine is in really good condition. but the rear bumper is $&#$% up.
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Postby TRD_ZERO » Mon Jun 25, 2007 5:23 pm

Yeah that will do the job plus if you did small things yourself everyday like change the brakes over ect you could learn alot. Id go that way it will be heaps of fun.
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Postby lee90 » Mon Jun 25, 2007 7:37 pm

TRD_ZERO wrote:Yeah that will do the job plus if you did small things yourself everyday like change the brakes over ect you could learn alot. Id go that way it will be heaps of fun.

shit man I have bad new i was goign to pick up the car today but the guy says the engine was $&#$% >.<~ u want to know why after I went another guy came and rev the hell out of it and then the cam belt broke.... $&#$%@@@ sad thing is I have to fix that problem maybe,
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Postby lee90 » Mon Jun 25, 2007 7:57 pm

can any one tell me who is Bazda in toyspeed can any one give me his number maybe he can help me out.
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Postby lee90 » Mon Jun 25, 2007 7:58 pm

can any one tell me who is Bazda Barry's Toyota
in toyspeed can any one give me his cellphone number maybe he can help me out.
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