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Postby Mr Revhead » Wed Jun 27, 2007 7:03 pm

fangsport wrote:be careful comparing what others have done, as the MK1 engine bay appears to be narrower and shorter than the Mk2. remembering the Mk 1 is a pushrod body shell and the Mk2 is OHC.


hence when building the MK1 twincams and BDAs the engine was actually mounted on a slight angle
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Postby ezy10s » Wed Jun 27, 2007 7:36 pm

if youre still considering the 4age just remember the escort 1600 engine ran a rear bowl sump while the 4age runs a front bowl- this will need t be reversed and a new pick up fabricated- engine mount wise just shave the metal mounts form the cross member and start fresh
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Postby eskimo » Wed Jun 27, 2007 7:39 pm

Cheers guys thats for all th input, Im not sure on what shocks it has in in at the mow, will find out on sat when i pick it up.

I belive it use to be an auto so has a larger tunnel. ill be using the car to fang around the track. thats why i was looking at a revvy 1600. looked into the ztecs,

the other option was the 3rd gen 3sge or beams redtop 3sge( i wish) i wana try do all the work myslef so the 4age seems like it will produce the best results with out to much mucking around.
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Postby durty starlet » Wed Jun 27, 2007 8:34 pm

pop over to oldschool forums, pm methodz100, he was thinking of selling a zetec kit if you wanna go that way
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Postby Volodkovich » Wed Jun 27, 2007 9:06 pm

Mr Revhead wrote:
fangsport wrote:be careful comparing what others have done, as the MK1 engine bay appears to be narrower and shorter than the Mk2. remembering the Mk 1 is a pushrod body shell and the Mk2 is OHC.


hence when building the MK1 twincams and BDAs the engine was actually mounted on a slight angle


Umm, im pretty sure the majority of the mk2's came out with the pushrod kent....only the rs2000's etc had the OHC pinto.
I thought the differences between the mk1 / mk2 body shells is only really cosmetic and the floorpan, engine bay etc is the same
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Postby Mr Revhead » Wed Jun 27, 2007 9:20 pm

yes most MK2s had the kent engines.
no, the shells are very different, MK2 has a bigger engine bay et
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Postby MikeMan » Thu Jun 28, 2007 5:45 pm

fangsport wrote:be careful comparing what others have done, as the MK1 engine bay appears to be narrower and shorter than the Mk2. remembering the Mk 1 is a pushrod body shell and the Mk2 is OHC.


Ummm there is not THAT much difference between a Mk.1 and Mk.2 shell's engine bay dude.

The Mk.2 might be SLIGHTLY larger but the difference will not make something fit in a Mk.2 that would not fit in a Mk.1 IMHO.

The OHC engine was fitted to a total of 3 types of cars in the Mk.1 and Mk.2 ranges.

Mk.1 RS2000 (2000cc OHC, ~100HP)
Mk.2 RS2000 (2000cc OHC, ~110HP)
Mk.2 Mexico (1600cc OHC, ~80HP)

The Mk.2 Mexico was no faster than the Mk.2 1600 Sport in real terms and the 1600cc OHC was a DOG!
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Postby escortman » Thu Jun 28, 2007 5:49 pm

yeh its not heaps bigger, dads m8 droped a 302 in a mk2 and then into a mk1 sed mk1 was slightly shorter in length but not by heaps
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Postby RED TOP MR 2 » Thu Jun 28, 2007 6:50 pm

another popular conversion is the caprie v6 plenty of info on the net.
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Postby MikeMan » Thu Jun 28, 2007 7:14 pm

escortman wrote:yeh its not heaps bigger, dads m8 droped a 302 in a mk2 and then into a mk1 sed mk1 was slightly shorter in length but not by heaps


IIRC it is about an inch and a half in total length.

The thing that gives it away as being minimally different is that you can put Mk.2 front panels onto a Mk.1 with no issues, so they cann be majorly different.
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Postby RomanV » Thu Jun 28, 2007 7:57 pm

eskimo wrote:the other option was the 3rd gen 3sge or beams redtop 3sge( i wish) i wana try do all the work myslef so the 4age seems like it will produce the best results with out to much mucking around.


lol, why would you go for a redtop of a gen 3? It's a lot of work or $$ to fit one to a RWD. The only reason I'm doing so is because I already had the engine there.

All up, it would be cheaper/easier to go straight for the altezza engine, and you may as well grab the 6 speed. :D

But I doubt it would fit in an escort engine bay, my beams setup isnt much narrower than a v8, because the intake/exhaust stick out so far either way. And they're a pretty tall engine too.

4age would be heaps of fun in an escort I reckon! And much easier to fit. (except for gay sump issues, which coult be a huge PITA)
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Postby fangsport » Thu Jun 28, 2007 8:08 pm

RomanV wrote:4age would be heaps of fun in an escort I reckon! And much easier to fit. (except for [person of homosexual orientation] sump issues, which coult be a huge PITA)
the local 20v in a Mk1 re-worked the oilpan, and used a 202? holden pick-up. Matt would possibly know more as he has done work on it.
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Postby fangsport » Thu Jun 28, 2007 8:13 pm

MikeMan wrote:
Ummm there is not THAT much difference between a Mk.1 and Mk.2 shell's engine bay dude.

The Mk.2 might be SLIGHTLY larger but the difference will not make something fit in a Mk.2 that would not fit in a Mk.1 IMHO.
i was of the impression that it was 2 1/2 inches shorter and 1 1/2 narrower. event the 1 1/2 shorter can make all the difference when trying to do bellhousing bolts or fitting radiators :?
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