what would a 450x350x60 intercooler handle?

[l1ttle_d3vil]

what sort of kw would a 450x350x60 frontmount intercooler be able to handle? would 200+kw be a safe amount? this would be on a 4age turbo. and how much smaller could I go safely? the above size is about the largest I could run before I have to get the grinder out, which I would rather avoid!

and I know its been asked before but i'm being a bit more specific than most (i think!): what are my options as far as turbos go for 200+kw atw?
don't think a little vf10 is going to cut it... will be an aw11 4agze so can run lots of boost! will be street driven not track so don't want anything too laggy. and i HAVE searched and read through a few pages and haven't found anything definite. about all I can find so far is a t04e, is there anything else?

cheers.

[bluemaumau]

yes im interested to know about fridge sizes also

[l1ttle_d3vil]

oh also the 450x350x60 is the largest size i can fit overall, including end tanks + in/outlets. thats not just the core size.

[Crucible]

what sort of kw would a 450x350x60 frontmount intercooler be able to handle? would 200+kw be a safe amount? this would be on a 4age turbo. and how much smaller could I go safely? the above size is about the largest I could run before I have to get the grinder out, which I would rather avoid!

and I know its been asked before but i'm being a bit more specific than most (i think!): what are my options as far as turbos go for 200+kw atw?
don't think a little vf10 is going to cut it... will be an aw11 4agze so can run lots of boost! will be street driven not track so don't want anything too laggy. and i HAVE searched and read through a few pages and haven't found anything definite. about all I can find so far is a t04e, is there anything else?

cheers.

The Ex housing A/R and wheel trim spec's on any turbo sorta give you an idea of response etc. T04e is the comp cover.
My cooler core size = 550x230x65mm, I see 18psi @ 4900, def not a "round town" turbo, but more suited for motorway + WOT driving. Its rated to flow around 500+HP, specs are......

-Turbine wheel
Exducer: 2.54"
Mayor : 2.89"
-Turbine Housing = .70 a/r twin entry

-Comp wheel
Exducer: 2.23"
Mayor : 3.31"
T04e Front cover

If you are thinking about using a t3/4 wouldnt go bigger than a .63 exh, It will flow your h/p goal easy!!!. Vf10 is a bit small, probley wont flow enough aye, unless quick response is what your after....

[tsoob]

im running that cooler on mine and aiming for 200kw t3 setup.

[evil_si]

my 500x300x75 core is rated to 550hp.
so going by the sizes you have given it will be fine.

[l1ttle_d3vil]

sweet thanks guys.
found this turbo on TM for under $400. does the "rated at 230kw" mean thats the max it could do, or thats what it will do quite comfortably with room for more?

T3/T4
* 3" INLET 2" OUTLET
* Wet floating bearing
* Compressor A/R=0.5
* TURBINE a/r=0.63 Trim 0.57
* It can easily do 25psi.
* External wastegate
* Rated at 230KW
* 1 year warranty

[strx7]

generally what a turbo is rated at is pretty much its max compressor CFM

[Crucible]

sweet thanks guys.
found this turbo on TM for under $400. does the "rated at 230kw" mean thats the max it could do, or thats what it will do quite comfortably with room for more?

they should be fine, you should see full boost around 4-4500rpm (dep on comp ratio). 20-25psi is max youd want to run on pumpgas anyway, and you should reach your goal on that boost aswell depending on the tune

Ill only run my max setting at the drags with 98 + octane boost or avgas, also tuners tend to get a bit nervous taking it past 20psi LOL, less room for error of course...

[flygt4]

i saw 220kw atw@20psi on my turbo and still retained fairly good response,usefull boost from 3900rpm and full boost is at ~4400rpm.

200kw isnt actually that much power, and if you get a large turbo you won't really be using it to its potential and have more lag than you need.
id be looking at standard turbos off 2L engines, mitsi tdo5's are very good and also very cheap at ~$400-500 2nd hand, i use the IHI vf24 which has less top end but better response , got mine for $1100 brand new. only thing is they arent rebuildable like the mitsi turbos.

oh and my i/c is about that size and its working fine.

[l1ttle_d3vil]

200kw isnt actually that much power, and if you get a large turbo you won't really be using it to its potential and have more lag than you need.

are you saying the T3 above is a large turbo or just meaning in general terms?

id be looking at standard turbos off 2L engines, mitsi tdo5's are very good and also very cheap at ~$400-500 2nd hand

is the td05 alot better than a t3/t4? as those t3/t4s are under $400 brand new. seems a decent price to me compared to other brand new turbos around or even 2nd hand ones for that matter.

[strx7]

any new turbo for $400 is only an expensive paper weight

[d1 mule]

id reccomend a TD05 off a WRX. a mate has one on a 1GGTE 314 hp ATW, not laggy at all. does 13.0 1/4 mile.

[tsoob]

i have a ht18 t3 you can buy if you are interested

[method]

i have a ht18 t3 you can buy if you are interested

The ht18/T3 hybreds will flow enough for 200KW

It wont do that much more but will give you good response and drivability compared to larger turbos.

IC will be good for over 200kw

Evo intercoolers can do 200KW and they arn't exactly that large.
You can always aid the cooling with automatic water sprayers or the likes to switch on when you are WOT or have them on a timed circuit that you can switch on and off.

[Crucible]

200kw isnt actually that much power, and if you get a large turbo you won't really be using it to its potential and have more lag than you need.

are you saying the T3 above is a large turbo or just meaning in general terms?

id be looking at standard turbos off 2L engines, mitsi tdo5's are very good and also very cheap at ~$400-500 2nd hand

is the td05 alot better than a t3/t4? as those t3/t4s are under $400 brand new. seems a decent price to me compared to other brand new turbos around or even 2nd hand ones for that matter.

Just keep in mind they are copys not genuine jobs!!, the wheels etc are made from differant materials compared to genuine Garret units. There are alot of mixed opinions on these turbos, I run one and had no problems with it. Ive only ever heard good things about TD05s, reliability/performance/price they seem to be a good choice.
yep, like flygt4 said above you dont need a big turbo to make 200kw as he proved that with the VF one hes running. You could probly get away with .48 on the hot side and still reach your goal. If my turbo goes bang Ill be looking into something smaller more responsive to the one Im currently running, full boost around 4k would be nice.

[bluemaumau]

what trubo would be the middle ground between a ht18/t3 / td05h and a single scroll t3/t4?

[strx7]

one of the great things about the TD05H is they make alot of power for a small turbo. physical size for size they'll make more power than a T3. They have more efficient internals

[flygt4]

also easily rebuilt and upgraded compressor options.

[l1ttle_d3vil]

sweet thanks for all the info, much appreciated.

is there a big difference between a T3 and a T3/T4?

would a T3/T4 be a bit too laggy?