Black Top 25% More Powerful?

[RevolutionStarlet89]

So what if the silver top block was just changed with a black top block?? Does it make it 20% more "powerful"?

[Mr Revhead]

another spanner in the works... the ae101 chassis was also fitted with the blacktop engine

[diss7]

No it doesn't.

[2LTR Rona]

ask yourself this question.......

are you willing to take the chance of the insurance company turning down a potential claim because you didnt want to get it certed?

If you are...dont cert it.

If not then cert it.

Its as simple as that really.....$300 outlay V's 1000's in a turned down claim....I know which one I would take....

[Mr Revhead]

No it doesn't.

i bet you ONE MEEEEEIIILLLLION dollars it does

[Mr.Phreak]

are you willing to take the chance of the insurance company turning down a potential claim because you didnt want to get it certed?

If you are...dont cert it.

If not then cert it.

Whether or not it has to be certed (I can't be bothered getting into that arguement), it'd still have to be declared to the insurance company anyway.

[spencer]

another spanner in the works... the ae101 chassis was also fitted with the blacktop engine

is that the wagons?

[sergei]

No it doesn't.

i bet you ONE MEEEEEIIILLLLION dollars it does

I think he said "it doesn't" to this:

So what if the silver top block was just changed with a black top block?? Does it make it 20% more "powerful"?

[Mr Revhead]

true!

yeah ae101 wagons were made uptill 2000

[2LTR Rona]

are you willing to take the chance of the insurance company turning down a potential claim because you didnt want to get it certed?

If you are...dont cert it.

If not then cert it.

Whether or not it has to be certed (I can't be bothered getting into that arguement), it'd still have to be declared to the insurance company anyway.

for sure.....any change and i would be telling my insurance company about it, I dont want to give them any possibility or very little at all of not paying out if i was to make a claim

[Lloyd]

Are you guys working off an old VIRM or something, or am I?



LVV certification is not required povided that:

When compared with the OE engine, the replacement engine
- is of the same or less cubic capacity, and
- has equal or less weight, and
- has the same or less power output, and
- uses the same fuel (petrol, diesel, LPG, CNG), and
- uses the same unmodified attachment points and system (ie, bolts in), and
- uses the same ancillary equipment (accelerator linkages etc), and
- uses the same family of block and cylinder head from the same vehicle manufacturer, and
- is of the same configuration




Following this is the bit about minor modifications to increase power by not more than 20%. I'd day you're fairly safe doing the swap with no cert provided you did a decent job of it. The only issue would be the "same or less" power bit, though you're not making more than 20% so really its the same engine with minor modifications to get a tiny bit more power.

[rollaholic]

Following this is the bit about minor modifications to increase power by not more than 20%. I'd day you're fairly safe doing the swap with no cert provided you did a decent job of it. The only issue would be the "same or less" power bit, though you're not making more than 20% so really its the same engine with minor modifications to get a tiny bit more power.

ya the fact that the mods were done by toyota and not you doesnt matter - its a revised version of the same engine.

i'd still be telling my insurance company though.

[Santa'sBoostinSleigh]

personally i wouldn't bother getting a cert, but thats just me.
even if an assessor was to check it out, unless they were a mega Toyota guru, then i doubt they would spot the difference
keep it factory looking and clean

if you want to be on the mega safe side just make sure that you get it in writing in your policy documents that you have fitted a later model motor, which uses the same mounts, is the same capacity and is the same family of motors

[Bazda]

wholey moley
this is stupid

[Leon]

- has the same or less power output

[Bazda]

this is just liek saying, if your car is bluetop 16v you have to get a cert for a redtop 16v head.

i bet 100% of people dont.

and what about if u put aftermarket extractors on the silvertop, intake and exhaust to make it the same power as the BT?

[Infinite]

ring insurance company say motor is dead only one i can source now is a blacktop witch is a minimal power increase will u cover me or what?

[sergei]

I don't know if people understood my point above, but here it is again in short:
Since modifications are allowed (as long as it is in that power bracket), consider black-top as factory modified silver-top. It does not really matter who does the modifications, right? It could be Billy Joe Bob, Santa Claus, Haliburton or Toyota.

[RunningRich]

Santa's a feking rip off when it comes to modifying cars. Great honeys at his place though...

[AceSniper]

im runing a blacktop in a ae101... never has an I doubt never will be an issue....

If the ltsa looked it up silvertop is "160" and blacktop "165" so there is no issue in doing this on paper even if it differs from that in the real world....

still has 4age on the block and still N/A I doubt they would care