New Demerit + Fine System & Radar Dectectors Banned

[flygt4]

MR2SIK has got it.

demerit points should not be able to be issued for breaking laws that are open to interpretation in any way.

I have very little issue with getting issued demerits for cut and dry offences as then you have boundaries to stay within.

we all like to think that if you are nice to mr plod he won't bend the rules to make your day suck, but i think we are all sensible enough to figure out this isnt an ideal world and there are some real bastards out there.

[Si]

last easter when they did the same thing it was probably a 20 min delay, and caused congestion issues at some of the smaller towns (bulls, sanson)

[Leon]

demerit points should not be able to be issued for breaking laws that are open to interpretation in any way.

You mean like dangerous driving, reckless driving etc?

[sleeektoy]

As far as the exhaust db limit goes, its not just the "boy racers" that will be fighting against lower limits. A few years back when they were going to introduce the lower limits they ran some tests on factory cars and found quite a few to exceed the 95db limit being proposed.

An example was an HSV commodore with a remus (dealer option) exhaust came up with a minimum reading of 105db at the proposed rpm/distance test.

so i believe there will be some manufacturers against the changes too.

[Emperor]

But... Cops wont be pulling those HSV's over.

[Mr Revhead]

one thing you lot are not remembering....

those "tests" where done with the meter almost IN the exhaust pipe.

as i said before i could make a new lexus fail the test....

i bet a lot of those cars that failed the NZPC tests a whileback would pass if tested properly

[Bling]

But... Cops wont be pulling those HSV's over.

exactly, fairs fair I say pull em up, either that or our cops are as good as corrupt imo

[d1 mule]

But... Cops wont be pulling those HSV's over.

exactly, fairs fair I say pull em up, either that or our cops are as good as corrupt imo

ypu mean there not corrupt already?? haha

[Bling]

its all relative everyone is corrupt to some extent I guess, so fair call

[flygt4]

demerit points should not be able to be issued for breaking laws that are open to interpretation in any way.

You mean like dangerous driving, reckless driving etc?

haha ya picky bastard.
I actually i know of a few cases of people being charged with reckless or dangerous driving after minor crashes , where the police have decided that someone had to be at fault and therefore the young male driver was by default the person doing something wrong.
charges like those should be reserved for serious offending, drifiting on public roads , crashes caused while using cellphones etc. the way the law is currently written for those offences it can applied to almost any situation and is at the officers discretion.

another one i have issue with is orange lights, police officers are often known to ticket people even when the light has changed after you enter the intersection or conditions are not ideal and you are unable to stop safely at short notice.
(yes you should be slowing down potentially to stop anyway, but on 100km motorway with traffic behind me theres no way im slowing to less than 70km to pass through a greenlighted intersection.)

i actually had a good one once,I recieved a ticket for not stopping at a stop sign. when issuing the ticket the officer told me i didnt stop, but i slowed down, rolled backwards briefly and took off again. (ie stopped , held car on the clutch and took off again)
now can anyone tell me how it is possible to go backwards without stopping? would it be fair to recieve 75 demerits for that?

my point is that if we keep going down that path we leave way too much to the discretion of police officers, some of whom feel that they can abuse their powers to prove a point.

[Sick Puppy]

One word people:

Vote.

There is an election coming within the year, vote your district's rival to Labour/Greens. No BS about it being a waste of time or how you don't vote, just vote. We can sit at our keyboards and bitch and whine about this and watch it happen, or we can at least try and do something about it.

Dem be big words!

Since when has voting ever made a difference to anything, and how exactly is voting 'doing something about it'? Every time the powers that be changes things just get that little bit more $&#$% up, some twits make a whole bunch of stupid decisions and all those pretty little promises that were made by saying 'vote for me and I'll do...' are swept aside and never looked at.

Ignorance is bliss...

Okay fine... would you like some bunch of socialist greenie tax crazed loonies in charge continually messing with our lives, or loonies promising tax cuts (more money in our pockets for go better bits). Me, I want tax cuts, and the next govt will have its hands full with the oncoming recession... boy racers will be the least of their worries, while Labour will do it anyway... you decide!

[Al]

Apathy is what has kept the arrogant Stalinist Labour Govenment in power.

[darkwolf]

Apathy is what has kept the arrogant Stalinist Labour Govenment in power.

Stalin!!! 'sif least he was a decent leader. Helen Clark couldn't lead an water a rain drop from the cloud to the ground.

[Si]

my point is that if we keep going down that path we leave way too much to the discretion of police officers, some of whom feel that they can abuse their powers to prove a point.

exaclty right, the police are only there to enforce the law, not be the law.

Bring back a dedicated traffic force i say

[solitaire]

Apathy is what has kept the arrogant Stalinist Labour Govenment in power.

Amen brother!

[FST4RD]

Apathy is what has kept the arrogant Stalinist Labour Govenment in power.

Amen brother!

Who you going to have in power then?
National with John Keys wanting to get rid of most of family assistance and not drop the company tax rate, sell of all the state owned assets that labours taken years to try and get back, no more ACC will be all private, tax cuts to the rich (ie himself and all his mates) and thats all i can think off of the top of my head.
Labour might have done some bad but at least they're no where near as bad as National is portraying themselves to be if they win the next election.

[Ae92typeX]

I'd love to ramble on from the above also, but for the purpose of thistopic, polictical parties in/out/upside down will make sweet $&#$% all difference imo.

[Mr Revhead]

if labour wins, im out of here!
best news from last poll i saw was greens failing to register enough to get any seats

but yeah, i dont see any party going back on these

[barryogen]

i bet a lot of those cars that failed the NZPC tests a whileback would pass if tested properly

The NZPC tests were done in accordance with what the proposed tests were, 50cm to the rear of the exhaust, and 50cms towards the outside of the vehicle(depends on side tested).

With regards to this, if you had your exhaust pointing out the rear of the car angled towards the side a bit, it'd read a lot louder than if it were straight out the back... how many hondas and 20v with after-market exhaust have them going out straight? not a lot.

now can anyone tell me how it is possible to go backwards without stopping? would it be fair to recieve 75 demerits for that?

Thats the sort of thing you write in about... I've used my GPS to prove that I stopped on a few occasions, just dumped the co-ordinates to log, and sent it off with a letter stating what it is, and how it proves it, also sending a copy by registered post to my lawyer with instructions not to open it(it means it can be proven to not to have been tampered with)

[Mr Revhead]

The NZPC tests were done in accordance with what the proposed tests were, 50cm to the rear of the exhaust, and 50cms towards the outside of the vehicle(depends on side tested).

are you sure? coz that doesnt match with the pics they showed of it...
where they had it right behind the pipe, like 10cm from it