is it illegal to...

[Si]

I dont care if it shouldnt be registered as that , im sure that no one will never notice. If a WOF person questioned it id show them its registered as a goods vehicle. WOF person doesnt have any authorita to decide its not for commercial use.

[QikStarlie]

starlet has been getting a testing station wof for the past 5 years or so, with no rear seats. with and without cert. they just note down "no rear seats" most times.

[Simon K]

If a WOF person questioned it id show them its registered as a goods vehicle. WOF person doesnt have any authorita to decide its not for commercial use.

Registering your car as a goods service vehicle opens up a bunch of quite heavy fines that can be thrown at you during a regular stop by the cops. Some are new and came in late last year. I imagine you won't have your name on the front doors of the car so that will be a starter. Some guys on MMC tried this a while back. Ticketed on the first day.

I was tempted to remove the seats and belts from the Bananawagon, re register and get the windows tinted darker but CBF'd now. Why would I want to make it any less practical than it is now?

[pc]

Too much BS in this thread. What sergei said is correct. can a mod remove all the other crap as it is annoying that this keeps coming around and the same BS keeps getting written.

WOF inspectors lie, many don't know the rules. Read the WOF requirements and don't listen to what the WOF guy says.
http://www.ltsa.govt.nz/certifiers/virm-in-service/index.html

[DJ]

Removing the rear seats on my old Trueno is how I manged to get it WOF'ed cause apparently the seatbelt mounts where screwed.

[Mr Revhead]

Too much BS in this thread. What sergei said is correct. can a mod remove all the other crap as it is annoying that this keeps coming around and the same BS keeps getting written.

WOF inspectors lie, many don't know the rules. Read the WOF requirements and don't listen to what the WOF guy says.
http://www.ltsa.govt.nz/certifiers/virm-in-service/index.html

no, no point removing it... as ppl will not learn unless they see the mistakes corrected.

if bs is postred, then rebutted.. its out there and cen be learnt from


how ever ppl are stupid...

[Si]

gotta be careful about the "van" thing
MUST be registered as a commercial vehicle, and be used for that purpose.

i cant find anything at all that confirms that. From the wording on the LTNZ site then the car to be registered as a "goods vehicle" it must have been designed to carry goods. I could see why registering something like an ae86 as a goods vehicle would raise eyebrows, but a corrolla that came from the factory with a flat rear boot area wouldnt.

[Mr Revhead]

because to register as a good vehicle, it needs to be used as one...

[Bling]

would be along the same lines as registering as a hurse... which was a loop hole for a bit..... they cottoned on to it tho and are able to fine people for using the wrong type of registration accordingly.

[Leon]

Plus, you really want to have a permanent cargo barrier fitted to your car? That'd be a good look wouldn't it?

[Si]

I still cant find any info that says it has to be for commercial use, or if a cargo barrier is required etc etc. Can anyone offer any substancial evidence?

From LTNZ Infosheet 1.10: Vehicle classes and the standards they must meet

DEFINITION: Goods vehicle

A motor vehicle that:
is constructed primarily for the carriage of goods; and
either:
has at least four wheels; or
has three wheels and a gross vehicle mass exceeding one tonne.

For the purpose of this description:

a vehicle that is constructed for both the carriage of goods and passengers shall be considered primarily for the carriage of goods if the number of seating positions multiplied by 68 kg is less than 50% of the difference between the gross vehicle mass and the unladen mass;

the equipment and installations carried on special purpose vehicles not designed for the carriage of passengers shall be considered to be goods;

a goods vehicle that has two or more non-separable but articulated units shall be considered to be a single vehicle.

[Bling]

at the end of the day, the LTSA weren't born yesterday, if it can be proven that you driving around in your phat DX rolling on cut springs and 5% tints all around is not a "goods vehicle" i.e. its main purpose is to not cart around goods, but 16 year old skanks, do you want to take the chance they won't fine you?

ask yourself this, why are passenger cars tints limited to 35%,
yet a goods vehicle can have much darker tints....

they have a reason to have different tint levels, just like they have different registrations to suit different types of vehicles that are built AND USED for different uses.

this is about seats anyway isn't it?

either lock or get back on topic and start a new thread for the "other argument"

[rolla_fxgt]

at the end of the day, the LTSA weren't born yesterday, if it can be proven that you driving around in your phat DX rolling on cut springs and 5% tints all around is not a "goods vehicle" i.e. its main purpose is to not cart around goods, but 16 year old skanks, do you want to take the chance they won't fine you?

Some could argue that 16 year old skanks are goods

But yeah agree that registering as a goods vehicle is a bad idea & the 2 seater thing is only for certs

[Bling]

hey i'm sure more than half of toyspeed would agree with you, i never said there was anything wrong with it

[Mr Revhead]

the LTSA site is the worst ever for finding what you need....

[Leon]

LTNZ site can be confusing too.

[BlakJak]

I'm trying to decide if you're being clever. LTSA == LTNZ. Renamed a few years ago...

[Alex B]

As stated above, the good class of vehicle comes down to seating position and loading of the vehicle. It also words it as how the vehicle is constructed, which would mean how it was made from factory.

The VIRM also states that any modification to seats (and removal counts as a modification) needs a cert. Much like if you fit seats to a good vehicle then they would require a cert, its modified.

[Jdawg]

From the LVVTA Certed column
"As removal of seats falls within the definition of 'modifications' to a vehicle, then the section of the Vehicle Inspection Requirements Manual (VIRM) that lists 'Modifications that do not require LVV certification' has to be checked. That says that LVV certification is not required where the only modification is the removal of seats and/or seatbelt anchorages, however a class change and a new load rating may be required in some cases. If your vehicle was a van, seat removal might affect the class of vehicle, but as yours is a car, you may remove rear seats, and even the passenger seat without LVV certification. You should point out to the WoF issuer that they will find this on page 7-1-2 of the VIRM. "

As far as Goods vehicles are concerned, IF it is Class MA it is a Passenger Vehicle, If it is Class NA it is Light Goods vehicle and to classify it as NA it will need to be recerted as the tare weight has to be worked out.

[Lanius]

Sergei is 100% correct. He helped me when I had my rear seats removed, as my WOF mechanic was kicking up a fuss about it. I showed the mechanic the relevant section of the VIR manual, and he conceded that we were correct, and he gave me my WOF without the rear seats and seatbelts. Nothing about registering as 2 seater or any of that nonsense required.

PS: If the original poster had used the Search function, this entire thread need not have existed.