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by **FXGTV** » Mon Jul 14, 2008 6:25 pm

Hey guys,

Just looking for a bit of advice on what engine to transplant into my ra60 1982 celica. Its got the stock 21rc 2ltr carby in it at the moment, which is a pig of an engine. The rest of the car is geat, so i don't want to get rid of it just cause its slow. I can get my hands on a 4age, but i think a 1600, ven a blacktop, may be too small for the car. What other toyota engines can i use to get this baby humming?
I would greatly appreciate any advice (know one knows anything about these cars over here!)

Cheers,

Ryan.

Website · by **Mr.Phreak** » Mon Jul 14, 2008 6:43 pm

18R-G would be easy, finding a decent one might not be.

Just depends on how much humming you want to do, and how much money you want to spend doing it.

by **d1 mule** » Mon Jul 14, 2008 8:55 pm

1UZ FTW by a country mile if staying toyota, if not go the rotang

by **barryogen** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 9:23 am

3sge from an Altezza... should make it nice and quick, and pretty good on gas too.

by **FXGTV** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 10:52 am

Someone said i sould rotar it

But i really do want to keep it toyota. I took off the original rims and gave them a cut and polish. they came up like new! Gotta love 80's toyota alloy

18R-G ay? I'll check that one out.

by **79rolla** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 11:09 am

http://www.toysport.com/Technical%20Inf ... _notes.htm

oh and wikipedia is your frend
www.wikipedia.org

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_T_engine
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_R_engine
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_3S-GTE_engine
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_3S-GE_engine

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_Cel ... 82-1985.29

hope that helps you

by **79rolla** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 11:16 am

oh yeah what about strait 6??
7m? (7mge/gte)
1g?(1ggte/ge)

by **strx7** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 1:19 pm

JZ the beast

by **barryogen** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 1:45 pm

yeah... nothing like adding an anchor to a car to screw up weight distribution.

by **FXGTV** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 2:27 pm

A few aussies have put JZ in this beast. but yeah, i think it would be a bit too heavy. I mainly wanted a 4age because i know way more about them than the older engines. 6 cylinders of fury with the 7 might be an option. hmmm.

Website · by **Bling** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 3:26 pm

barryogen wrote:yeah... nothing like adding an anchor to a car to screw up weight distribution.

I think they call it mid mounting

How heavy is his original engine compared to a JZ Barryogen? out of interest, since you say its going to mess with the weight distribution

by **xsspeed** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 3:29 pm

A 3sge is also a bit of a lead tipped arrow but again that would depend on the original engine.
Apart from the ZZ engines what toyotas had alloy blocks. (Assuming the ZZ engines had alloy blocks I may be wrong)

by **barryogen** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 3:54 pm

BZG|Bling wrote:How heavy is his original engine compared to a JZ Barryogen?

No idea, The JZ is probably fairly similar in weight, but should easily out perform it... It's just my usual response to "put a JZ in it" seems to be thrown out there almost as much as rotor comments.

xsspeed wrote:(Assuming the ZZ engines had alloy blocks I may be wrong)

Indeed they did, but I wouldn't think it would be a suitable engine in this car... now in a Lotus 7/replica/kitcar... there its a cool option.

by **RomanV** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 4:15 pm

xsspeed wrote:A 3sge is also a bit of a lead tipped arrow

20kgs more than a 4K.
~15kg more than a 4AGE.
~3Kgs more than a 4AGZE.

I bet a 6 speed + 3S weighs less than 18RG and W50. (or 21R)

by **xsspeed** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 4:31 pm

RomanV wrote:
xsspeed wrote:A 3sge is also a bit of a lead tipped arrow

20kgs more than a 4K.
~15kg more than a 4AGE.
~3Kgs more than a 4AGZE.

I bet a 6 speed + 3S weighs less than 18RG and W50. (or 21R)

Is that all!! No idea why I was under the impression they weighed substantially more :?:

Note I also said it depends what you compare it against

[quote=barryogen] Indeed they did, but I wouldn't think it would be a suitable engine in this car... now in a Lotus 7/replica/kitcar... there its a cool option.[/quote]

That was exactly my thinking, not for this car, but eventually I want a lotus 7 rep, a 2zzge turbo seems a cool idea, although I have heard a few nasties about the strength of the block

Website · by **Mr.Phreak** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 4:37 pm

xsspeed wrote:Apart from the ZZ engines what toyotas had alloy blocks. (Assuming the ZZ engines had alloy blocks I may be wrong)

1UZ and 3UZ :twisted:

by **rollaholic** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 5:55 pm

i reckon a 1ggte or gze would be the business, but people say "put a JZ in it" because they are freakin awesome engines. straight sixes sound sweet too. 1g or 1jz >> 3S imo. but going fuel injected will be relatively expensive, if you are after an easy conversion i guess sticking with teh R series is a good idea.

by **touge rolla** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 6:06 pm

79rolla wrote:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_3S-GTE_engine

I like the picture - a 3S going into a AW :twisted:

I reckon a 3TGTE would be best in your celica. Ample power whilst staying close(ish) to it's origin.

by **d1 mule** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 6:15 pm

if you are going to bother doing a conversion you may as well do it properly and actually upgrade the motor to somethin descent either 1UZ or 1JZ. and not waste your time with old POS motors like T, M and R series IMO

or how about a 2JZGE with ITBs that would be $&#$% sick

by **nz_climber** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 9:58 pm

xsspeed wrote:
That was exactly my thinking, not for this car, but eventually I want a lotus 7 rep, a 2zzge turbo seems a cool idea, although I have heard a few nasties about the strength of the block

I would have liked a 2zz engine in mine, but at the time of deciding they were too rear and expensive, plus didn't have a clue about matching to a rwd box. so instead I went with the beams 3sge

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