supra vs soarer

[avinesh]

hey guys i own a soarer with basic upgrades like exhaust, intake, an front mount intercooler its a 1jzgte an is the light weight model with no abs no electric seats an all the other electric stuff, i also have recently bought a jza80 supra with same mods with a 2jzgte......both cars are boosting about the same the soarer a tad higher at 16psi vs supras 15ish psi......i sort of compared their performance an expected the supra to kill the soarer but that didnt happen the soarer did loose but only by a lil bit it was basically at the supras rear quarter window an stayed there, now is this normal or do you guys think the supra needs a tune, ohh an the soarer does have shift mods done to make it shift faster an it also has a fuel cutt defender which had been set up soo it doesnt hit fuel cutt......it also made more power then before with the fcd since it took away the extra rich fuel mixture......

[thaphatty]

and some people say theres no such thing as a stupid question

[avinesh]

and some people say theres no such thing as a stupid question

if u have no suggestions concerning the topic then dont post please might seem stupid to you but i think its better to ask a question then just sit ther like a dumb ass

[~SlideWays~]

I think he's trying to point out that the what and how you are comparing isn't ever going to give you an accurate result.

Too many variables and the fact that they are different cars, engines , drivers, probably different tyres, different turbo's, psi level, suspension, tune, weight, etc etc etc.

A dyno run for each would give you a better idea of how they compare (hp wise). More importantly how your supra is behaving after the changes you have made.

[avinesh]

I think he's trying to point out that the what and how you are comparing isn't ever going to give you an accurate result.

Too many variables and the fact that they are different cars, engines , drivers, probably different tyres, different turbo's, psi level, suspension, tune, weight, etc etc etc.

A dyno run for each would give you a better idea of how they compare (hp wise). More importantly how your supra is behaving after the changes you have made.

ya just that on paper the supra seems faster an also has more torque it even feels faster.........was just worried a bit also my soarer trapped 171km/h at meremere an i know of a couple of guys with supras who have trapped 185km/h plus with similar mods, the almost 15km/h difference i thought would be way more noticeable

[~SlideWays~]

I think the main thing is that the other supra's are not exactly the same. As I said there are too many variables.

Have you had the supra on a dyno, if so (and you are that keen) then try compare it too the other supra's dyno sheets.

[Mr.Phreak]

I'm still at a light weight Soarer

[avinesh]

I'm still at a light weight Soarer

yea not exactly light but believe me its missing a lot of the luxury bits the other soarers come with........an also what is that lil switch thing under the speed paddle on the supra

[the fallen303]

you mean the accelerator? it's part of the kickdown for the auto.

[2jayzgte]

Light-weight Soarer how much does it weigh??????A auto Supra will weigh 1540 kgs.

I drive my Auto like a Manual start in L and just push it through the gears.I absolutely hate the kick-down of the Auto hence why I like to manually shift the Auto.

To be honest I reckon the Supra would have the advantage performance wise given the same mods for both cars.

[avinesh]

Light-weight Soarer how much does it weigh??????A auto Supra will weigh 1540 kgs.

I drive my Auto like a Manual start in L and just push it through the gears.I absolutely hate the kick-down of the Auto hence why I like to manually shift the Auto.

To be honest I reckon the Supra would have the advantage performance wise given the same mods for both cars.

the poor people spec soarer wieghs about 1560kg

[nite b]

Judging by your mods, I reckon your Supra is about right, and your Soarer goes quite well. 13.3 is a pretty sweet deal! and if your Supra is a fraction quicker..!? They are still both big cars..
The 2JZ will ultimately result in more HP per $$ input soon rather than the 1JZ in levels up from where you are now.

[strx7]

thru the twisties the supra will be a bit more nimble than the soarer

quite a difference in wheelbase between the two

[BlakeNZ]

the fastest 400m time that a stock turbo jza80 supra has done in nz(as far as i know) is about 12.6-12.7 sec) i know of a stock turbo soarer doing several 12.4s. do the maths

[Lith]

the fastest 400m time that a stock turbo jza80 supra has done in nz(as far as i know) is about 12.6-12.7 sec) i know of a stock turbo soarer doing several 12.4s. do the maths

Did the JZA80 do it on drag tyres?

[avinesh]

the fastest 400m time that a stock turbo jza80 supra has done in nz(as far as i know) is about 12.6-12.7 sec) i know of a stock turbo soarer doing several 12.4s. do the maths

yea i know ur soarer is very fast blake but i was just expecting the supra to pull in top end more with the usuall 115mph plus traps they do

[strx7]

the fastest 400m time that a stock turbo jza80 supra has done in nz(as far as i know) is about 12.6-12.7 sec) i know of a stock turbo soarer doing several 12.4s. do the maths

can you say with certainty they both had the same diff ratio? if not then you are saying that the orange is better than the apple.......

[2jayzgte]

Outside of drag racing though I have absolutely throttled Soarers at Manfield and Taupo on many occasions.As for 1/4 mile times Kevin Boyds Supra did a low 12 I believe with the stock U.S spec turbo's a few years back now though and was trapping mid 180s also I believe Lindsay Sarchets Supra was doing similar 1/4 mile and traps about 5 years ago as well.

[BlakeNZ]

i can confirm that the soarer does have the better diff ratio for acceleration.so apples v. oranges the supras were on drag rubber. and yes the times quoted were on jap spec ceramic turbos, not the USA spec ones.
i think that if i had a chance to prepare a stock turbo supra for drag racing i could do better than a 12.4.
with 20% bigger capacity and bigger turbos, the 2jzgte "SHOULD" put the 1jz away.

[postfach]

with 20% bigger capacity and bigger turbos, the 2jzgte "SHOULD" put the 1jz away.

This is true, if all other parameters remained equal. That is to say, if you raced a 2JZ against a 1JZ in an identical chassis with exactly the same mods and exactly the same driving, then the 2JZ should prove superior in straight line acceleration.

In avinesh's scenario, this just isn't the case, one or more factors are either giving the soarer an edge, or are a disadvantage to the supra.