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Postby Guss » Thu Sep 25, 2008 7:32 pm

it will need some form of silencer to be technically legal.
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Postby avinesh » Thu Sep 25, 2008 7:36 pm

yea ill plumb it in will be free anyways
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Postby l1ttle_d3vil » Thu Sep 25, 2008 8:28 pm

Dell'Orto wrote:
l1ttle_d3vil wrote:and externals can't be any noisier than most BOV's.


Are you serious???


maybe i haven't heard any noisy externals then :lol:
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Postby escortman » Thu Sep 25, 2008 8:34 pm

hows a cop goning prove that its 2 loud anyway, unless ur cars like my mates old gtst that had factory turbo and stupid big gate it that could open up in neutral
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Postby Mr. Mainstream » Thu Sep 25, 2008 8:40 pm

l1ttle_d3vil wrote:
Dell'Orto wrote:
l1ttle_d3vil wrote:and externals can't be any noisier than most BOV's.


Are you serious???


maybe i haven't heard any noisy externals then :lol:


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Postby johndoe1025 » Thu Sep 25, 2008 8:48 pm

escortman wrote:hows a cop goning prove that its 2 loud anyway, unless ur cars like my mates old gtst that had factory turbo and stupid big gate it that could open up in neutral


they dont have to prove with the new laws. if they "deem it to be too loud" its green stickered and off you go for a 90 dollar wof buddy, plus fines. i speak from experience. they dont even have to measure it
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Postby matt dunn » Thu Sep 25, 2008 10:24 pm

touge rolla wrote:, no advantages though other than noise (which is also a disadvantage). Save weight just plumb it back in.



Not what I was told by the guys who tune my car,
and dyno tune cars all day every day 5 days a week.

Running it on it's own creates more power,
as no matter what size your main exhaust is,
or what angle you join it on,
the main flow is flowing along nicely, and you add the wategate flow into it
and it upsets the exhaust flow, which creates a small amount of back pressure all the way back to the turbo.

I run my car external all the way to the back and separate,
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Postby deaf_rattle » Thu Sep 25, 2008 10:28 pm

ill be running a seperate pipe from my wastegate.
Main reason is because if i ever need to take the turbo off, it makes things easier to unbolt the exhausts if they are seperate.

I dont want my exhaust off the wastegate to be noisy though, so it will be passing through at least one muffler and then exit behind the drivers door.

will see how that goes though.

noisy "screamer pipes" suck balls
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Postby Bazda » Thu Sep 25, 2008 11:51 pm

I have never plumbed mine back in because of back pressure as well.

+ It would be a major to plumb mine it!!! as I have 2 wastegates and 1 sits near ish the dump pipe so I cant fit the pipes back in, the only way is to run underneath the X member lol.

Another way would be plumbing it far down the ex system so it wont effect the flow as much as having it in the downpipe.
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Postby escortman » Thu Sep 25, 2008 11:59 pm

johndoe1025 wrote:
escortman wrote:hows a cop goning prove that its 2 loud anyway, unless ur cars like my mates old gtst that had factory turbo and stupid big gate it that could open up in neutral


they dont have to prove with the new laws. if they "deem it to be too loud" its green stickered and off you go for a 90 dollar wof buddy, plus fines. i speak from experience. they dont even have to measure it


yeh but if your main exhaust is quite ie no bigbore, could easily argue with them
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Postby Crampy » Fri Sep 26, 2008 4:44 am

escortman wrote:
johndoe1025 wrote:
escortman wrote:hows a cop goning prove that its 2 loud anyway, unless ur cars like my mates old gtst that had factory turbo and stupid big gate it that could open up in neutral


they dont have to prove with the new laws. if they "deem it to be too loud" its green stickered and off you go for a 90 dollar wof buddy, plus fines. i speak from experience. they dont even have to measure it


yeh but if your main exhaust is quite ie no bigbore, could easily argue with them


You can argue with a cop til you're blue in the face. If they "deem it to be too loud", then's that's it end of story, green sticker. It's just another BS law that comes down to the person's interpretation. A cop will always win in that case.
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Postby Py7h0n » Fri Sep 26, 2008 8:48 am

I have mine running right the way back as a seperate 55mm exhaust system. Previously to this it was plumbed back into my main 3.5" system.

It increased flow, increased power and still sounds REALLY cool. As for the legalities - If you drive past a cop with your wastegate open your probably going too fast anyways and your going to be done for something.

I've had mine like this for over 2 months now.
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Postby Lith » Fri Sep 26, 2008 9:37 am

I've heard a car with the wastegate pipe plumbed all the way to the back around somewhere - I think it was the ex-WLDSTI show car come circuit car, and it sounded pretty cool.... no offensive screamer pipe noise but it still had a neat sounding edge to it.

There shouldn't be any problem as the wastegate will only open at heavy load, and the exhaust noise rules are for "normal driving" conditions. I prefer non-external noises a lot more myself still - a reasonable wastegate opening into the exhaust stream can still actually be heard and often can add a wicked edge to the exhaust note, much more my cup of tea.
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Postby xsspeed » Fri Sep 26, 2008 9:42 am

Oh well looks like I got proved wrong, would have thought plumbing it back in would have generated less back pressure than an independant muffled system.

So I guess go for it if you are keen, would be keen to see pics when its done
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Postby ~SlideWays~ » Fri Sep 26, 2008 11:04 am

Just my 10c.

I used to have boost cut issues in 1st and 2nd when running close to 18psi and having the external venting freely.

Now that it is plumbed into the downpipe I haven't had the issue anymore. Almost as if the exhaust flow is drawing the gas flow from the WG?

I would have thought it'd have the opposite effect. Oh well... it works :lol: 8)
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Postby avinesh » Fri Sep 26, 2008 11:39 am

yea im also worried about it causing spikes ooo well will hopefully get the car today an see if it spikes.........if it does then ill ask them to plumb it back in an see if that helps :)
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Postby matt dunn » Sat Sep 27, 2008 3:37 pm

~SlideWays~ wrote:Just my 10c.

I used to have boost cut issues in 1st and 2nd when running close to 18psi and having the external venting freely.

Now that it is plumbed into the downpipe I haven't had the issue anymore. Almost as if the exhaust flow is drawing the gas flow from the WG?

I would have thought it'd have the opposite effect. Oh well... it works :lol: 8)


No, because you have plumbed it back in,
it is not drawing more through the wastegate,
it is restricting more through the turbo housing.
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