Subaru & Suzuki out of WRC

General discussions on all non technical car related topics

Moderator: The Mod Squad

Postby Mr Revhead » Wed Dec 17, 2008 5:50 pm

subaru had planned to pull out end of 2009 anyway
and if you look regionally, subaru has been pulling out of rallying and going circuit racing for the last 2-3 years
Being the subject of E-whinges since 2004 8)

http://www.centralmotorsport.org.nz/home

Image
User avatar
Mr Revhead
SECURITY!
 
Posts: 24635
Joined: Tue Jan 20, 2004 4:06 pm
Location: Nelson

Postby ee904age » Wed Dec 17, 2008 6:10 pm

Zitchu wrote:Does this mean that they can stop making ugly hatches and make the Impreza a sedan again :lol:


I think the new WRX hatch looks awesome!
90 SW20 Turbo - Project
90 SW20 N/A - Sold
User avatar
ee904age
Toyspeed Member
 
Posts: 1388
Joined: Tue Dec 16, 2003 6:27 pm
Location: Wanganui

Postby B1NZ » Wed Dec 17, 2008 6:13 pm

snwtoy wrote:I like the idea that the cars have to be production models.

I don't like the idea that they're allowed to add a turbo kit. I reckon they should have to sell the production turbo models :D


Agreed!! A 4WD Turbo Peugeot 206 or Suzuki SX4 would have been cool in a road going version
Subaru GF8 Wagon
Subaru GC8 rally car project
http://www.hccc.org.nz - Keep up to date with all motorsport events in the Wellington region
User avatar
B1NZ
Toyspeed Member
 
Posts: 6043
Joined: Sun Sep 01, 2002 7:20 pm
Location: Capital City

Postby GTTpower » Wed Dec 17, 2008 7:09 pm

ee904age wrote:
Zitchu wrote:Does this mean that they can stop making ugly hatches and make the Impreza a sedan again :lol:


I think the new WRX hatch looks awesome!


2009 WRX comes in a sedan as well, imo it looks like fail.
1999 SXE10 Altezza RS200Z
2004 Honda SCV100
Previous: 1993 EP85 Starlet, 1984 KP60 Starlet
Steam/Origin ID: nzEP85
User avatar
GTTpower
Toyspeed Member
 
Posts: 1160
Joined: Wed May 02, 2007 8:47 am
Location: Hamilton

Postby Leon » Wed Dec 17, 2008 10:11 pm

Nothing wrong with the new Sti that taking 400kg of shit out of it wouldn't cure ... :lol:
User avatar
Leon
Toyspeed Member
 
Posts: 6642
Joined: Wed Feb 26, 2003 6:27 pm
Location: Wellington

Postby FXGTV » Thu Dec 18, 2008 1:43 am

So skoda will have cars in the WRC, but subaru wont? :lol: I never thought i'd see the day the Impreza was retired. I've missed the coverage NZ tv gave to the WRC every Sunday. Theres hardly any coverage over here in Aus. There was something awesome about watching Evo's and WRX's fanging around when you're really hungover :P It would be sweet if Toyota magically released the new ae86, entered the WRC and caned everybody. And with a Subaru boxer engine possibly, it would be killing two birds with one stone 8)
1988 r31 TI Skyline.
1982 ra60 Celica (my Aussie Toyota and axle stand warrior).
ex: 1991 Corolla, 1989 fxgt-v, 1985 aw11. 1992 sw20 gt-s. 2002 glxi Lancer wagon (work hack)
next car - another a-dub please!
User avatar
FXGTV
Toyspeed Member
 
Posts: 1703
Joined: Tue Sep 06, 2005 7:57 pm
Location: Brisbane

Postby 2jayzgte » Thu Dec 18, 2008 7:18 am

Its Shame subbie are gone but the economic reality has hit.I reckon Citroen will be next they have always had F1 ambition and now Honda have there F1 team for sale it could be good by for them as well out of WRC personally I think WRC has been up the duff for awhile now and to me without the big manufacturers on board well the sport is in big trouble.To be honest I don't no how FORD are still hanging on.
2jayzgte
Toyspeed Member
 
Posts: 1997
Joined: Thu Sep 14, 2006 9:16 pm

Postby Dragger_Dan » Thu Dec 18, 2008 8:07 am

Were Volvo ever serious about the WRC or were they just teasing us?
Dragger_Dan
 

Postby Adamal » Thu Dec 18, 2008 9:14 am

Dragger_Dan wrote:Were Volvo ever serious about the WRC or were they just teasing us?


I just had an image in my head of something like this trying to go round a muddy hair pin at speed....

Image
Motorsport is like sex. You could take it to track and have a long, enjoyable session, or you could take it to the strip and get it over with in less than 20 seconds.
User avatar
Adamal
Toyspeed Member
 
Posts: 11592
Joined: Sun May 02, 2004 4:01 pm
Location: Waitakere Drift Stage (Ranges)

Postby xsspeed » Thu Dec 18, 2008 10:24 am

Adamal wrote:
Dragger_Dan wrote:Were Volvo ever serious about the WRC or were they just teasing us?


I just had an image in my head of something like this trying to go round a muddy hair pin at speed....

Image


+1 :lol:
xsspeed
Toyspeed Member
 
Posts: 3946
Joined: Tue Aug 21, 2007 5:56 pm
Location: Auckland

Postby Mr Revhead » Thu Dec 18, 2008 10:40 am

they won in touring cars, so why not rally?
Being the subject of E-whinges since 2004 8)

http://www.centralmotorsport.org.nz/home

Image
User avatar
Mr Revhead
SECURITY!
 
Posts: 24635
Joined: Tue Jan 20, 2004 4:06 pm
Location: Nelson

Postby durty starlet » Thu Dec 18, 2008 11:39 am

durty starlet
Toyspeed Member
 
Posts: 183
Joined: Thu Dec 02, 2004 11:40 pm
Location: Upper Hutt

Postby durty starlet » Thu Dec 18, 2008 11:41 am

Image
durty starlet
Toyspeed Member
 
Posts: 183
Joined: Thu Dec 02, 2004 11:40 pm
Location: Upper Hutt

Postby B1NZ » Thu Dec 18, 2008 5:52 pm

ee904age wrote:
Zitchu wrote:Does this mean that they can stop making ugly hatches and make the Impreza a sedan again :lol:


I think the new WRX hatch looks awesome!


2nd'ed, But Only the STI, and especially in black 8)
Subaru GF8 Wagon
Subaru GC8 rally car project
http://www.hccc.org.nz - Keep up to date with all motorsport events in the Wellington region
User avatar
B1NZ
Toyspeed Member
 
Posts: 6043
Joined: Sun Sep 01, 2002 7:20 pm
Location: Capital City

Postby B1NZ » Thu Dec 18, 2008 5:56 pm

FXGTV wrote:So skoda will have cars in the WRC, but subaru wont? :lol: I never thought i'd see the day the Impreza was retired. I've missed the coverage NZ tv gave to the WRC every Sunday. Theres hardly any coverage over here in Aus. There was something awesome about watching Evo's and WRX's fanging around when you're really hungover :P It would be sweet if Toyota magically released the new ae86, entered the WRC and caned everybody. And with a Subaru boxer engine possibly, it would be killing two birds with one stone 8)


Skoda pulled out a few years ago along with Hyundai, Hyundai were saying that they were aiming to be back in the 2007 season for memory but it never eventuated.
The WRC coverage has been stolen by sky over here so you have to subscribe to sky sport if you want to watch it now, or just download it off the net and watch it before it screens on sky :wink:


Im hoping the group N cars will still be around for a while yet, Hopefully other manufacturers start building 4WD turbo cars as well :-)
Subaru GF8 Wagon
Subaru GC8 rally car project
http://www.hccc.org.nz - Keep up to date with all motorsport events in the Wellington region
User avatar
B1NZ
Toyspeed Member
 
Posts: 6043
Joined: Sun Sep 01, 2002 7:20 pm
Location: Capital City

Postby RollaGT_87 » Fri Dec 19, 2008 1:58 am

FXGTV wrote:It would be sweet if Toyota magically released the new ae86, entered the WRC and caned everybody. And with a Subaru boxer engine possibly, it would be killing two birds with one stone 8)


That would be sweet... but why use magic? Not to mention, why use a suby motor?

I reckon the new rules are a primo opportunity for lower budget teams to really make an impact on WRC! Think about it, group A cars are hard to run and hard to come by. Expensive when they're running and far more expensive when they're not! Surely with what is effectively a Group N WRC young bucks like Paddon in the future could enter in their cars without nearly the difficulty that a Group A effort would be. OK so factory backing is obviously severely lacking with teams dropping out, but it won't be so necessary.

It could (and I know this is a long shot) be the saving grace of Rallying the world over, and could even (a longer shot) be a long term opportunity for our local guys to break onto the world stage! Not to mention the added interest other manufacturers are bound to show if the new regs have a positive effect on the world circuit! I would not put a Toyota re-entry off the cards at all, and suby OUT of WRC? Yeah right! Once you can enter in next to standard cars, private teams are gonna be throwing STIs at the WRC like there's no tomorrow.*

Hell, let's make it interesting and throw an Accord or something in there up against our Corollas, private Mitsi and Suby teams, Fords, Ovlovs (for a laugh) and anything else under the sun...

Increased entertainment and accessibility in a sport can never go unnoticed so I think rally fans may be in for a treat.

My 83 cents.




*Given the current economic and global climate I'm not ruling this out as a possibility if not an eventual inevitability...
Tip for successfull rally driving: Don't sink you're car in the first pond to catch your eye.
"That's a f**kin' b*gg*r innit??"
"We were a bit hot, thought we'd take a dip n cool off"
User avatar
RollaGT_87
Toyspeed Member
 
Posts: 267
Joined: Mon Jul 26, 2004 11:02 pm
Location: Dunedin

Postby FXGTV » Fri Dec 19, 2008 2:21 am

RollaGT_87 wrote:
FXGTV wrote:It would be sweet if Toyota magically released the new ae86, entered the WRC and caned everybody. And with a Subaru boxer engine possibly, it would be killing two birds with one stone 8)


That would be sweet... but why use magic? Not to mention, why use a suby motor?


That was just based on an Auto Salon mag i was reading not too long ago. It was a concept ae86 with a 2ltr boxer engine from subie in it. It had all the lines of an ae86, with some classic celica and new corolla lines too.
1988 r31 TI Skyline.
1982 ra60 Celica (my Aussie Toyota and axle stand warrior).
ex: 1991 Corolla, 1989 fxgt-v, 1985 aw11. 1992 sw20 gt-s. 2002 glxi Lancer wagon (work hack)
next car - another a-dub please!
User avatar
FXGTV
Toyspeed Member
 
Posts: 1703
Joined: Tue Sep 06, 2005 7:57 pm
Location: Brisbane

Postby 2jayzgte » Fri Dec 19, 2008 7:55 am

What is there for Toyota to gain by entering into a competition that potientally could go tits up not much I suspect though they are building a car with Subaru I just can't see Toyota wasting there time by entering back into this competition.Toyota should just concentrate alot of there efforts in improving the F1 team like they did this year.I'm afraid WRC is but a distant memory for Toyota.
2jayzgte
Toyspeed Member
 
Posts: 1997
Joined: Thu Sep 14, 2006 9:16 pm

Postby GTTpower » Fri Dec 19, 2008 8:45 am

2jayzgte wrote:What is there for Toyota to gain by entering into a competition that potientally could go tits up not much I suspect though they are building a car with Subaru I just can't see Toyota wasting there time by entering back into this competition.Toyota should just concentrate alot of there efforts in improving the F1 team like they did this year.I'm afraid WRC is but a distant memory for Toyota.


Lets face it, Toyota's F1 campaign has been a failure. A string of 3rds and one 2nd does not justify $500m+ annual budgets, when they could spend a fraction of that in WRC and achieve similar, if not better results.

My 2c :)
1999 SXE10 Altezza RS200Z
2004 Honda SCV100
Previous: 1993 EP85 Starlet, 1984 KP60 Starlet
Steam/Origin ID: nzEP85
User avatar
GTTpower
Toyspeed Member
 
Posts: 1160
Joined: Wed May 02, 2007 8:47 am
Location: Hamilton

Postby TRD Man » Fri Dec 19, 2008 10:22 am

2jayzgte wrote:What is there for Toyota to gain by entering into a competition that potientally could go tits up


That's nonsense! There is no suggestion that the WRC will not be around for many years to come. We have endured periods before when there only been two manufacturer teams and, no doubt, it could happen again. But the sport adapts, survives and carries on.

GTTpower wrote:Lets face it, Toyota's F1 campaign has been a failure.
I think if you were to ask Toyota themselves about that, they might have a different view, (albeit one that wishes for better results).
User avatar
TRD Man
Toyspeed Member
 
Posts: 1414
Joined: Fri Feb 13, 2004 5:26 pm
Location: Lower Hutt

PreviousNext

Return to General Car Discussion

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 6 guests

cron