Price for ST205 GT4?

[rmf55]

there seems to be a lot of variation in the weights- i've seen both 1380 and 1420kg listed. no doubt it depends on the options.

mine with twin airbags and abs but no sun roof is almost exactly 1420. wrc models definately aren't any lighter. if anything they may slightly heavier due to the homolgation parts.

[diss7]

Like to put in my 2cents, I've got no bias either way as I've owned an modified all three cars.
Comparing speed, all had same driver obviously, and very similar mods
ST205 i/e/17psi 13.2
STI V6 fmic/e/17psi 12.9
EVOIII i/e/17psi 12.9
Nothing in it really.
Out of the three, I preferred the STI, it had a nice interior, good handling, and four doors. However, I owned it for far less than the ST205. I know that I would've had more mechanical issues with it.

If I had no other car, and the choice was to be my daily driver, I would pick the STI.

If I was just buying it as a sports car, I would pick the ST205.

Hell, I thought the ST205 was a lot of car for 28k, thats what I paid 5 years ago.

I can't comment on what its worth in NZ is now, but if I could buy one for $10k, I wouldn't hesitate.

[B1NZ]

plus its a small piece of rallying infamy..

Haha, sure was

ST205 weighs 1380kg, later model evo's are heavier. ST205's aren't obese like their predecessor.
Standard ST205 does a 13.something quarter mile, similar to an evo.
The ST205 is leagues better than what Mitsubishi and Subaru were making back in '94

Like the Evo 2 and Impreza STI? These 2 cars had a curb weight of 1180KG's

By the late 90's GT-Fours did come with Recaro seats and Leather steering wheels (not Momo but a better looking Toyota item) too

So they lost some of their class then if your going on previous posts?

[touge rolla]

^ I made no mention of class at all you're mixing me up with other people, you've even incorrectly put my name to something that rm55 said.

[iOnic]

So they lost some of their class then if your going on previous posts?

quote of the day.

and yes the st205 was sold brand new for a higher price than any evo ever made (excluding this year's evo X) - whether it was worth the pricetag is a whole different story...

out of all the cars that it's been compared to in this topic.......it currently has the lowest resale value as well...

[Mr Revhead]

you reckon?
early WRXs go for as little as 3500

[iOnic]

what's your point?...early gt4's go for even less i'm comparing cars of the same age here.

[Mr Revhead]

please find me some st205s for under $3500
that actually go...
early WRXs are the same vintage as st205s.....

[B1NZ]

^ I made no mention of class at all you're mixing me up with other people, you've even incorrectly put my name to something that rm55 said.

Wasn't getting at you, just what other people were saying about the GT4 having more class cos it didnt have recaro seats etc in previous posts,

Sorry about that, I quoted something you said and got confused when I was putting the extra quote bits in haha

[iOnic]

please find me some st205s for under $3500

I never said st205's were under $3500. I said early GT4's were.

early WRXs are the same vintage as st205s.....

there's a two year gap between when "early" wrx's came out and "early" st205's did. an early wrx is a 1991 or 1992 - same as an st185. not 1994 as with st205's.....that's evo 3 time

i also notice you're steering well clear of discussing the price of evo's from that era?

[Mr Revhead]

but we're talking 205s, where did 185s come into it? your not making a lot of sense!

i dont know how much evos are... hence i havnt mentioned it....
plus they are mitsis and not worthy of my time

[iOnic]

but we're talking 205s, where did 185s come into it?

185's came into it when you decided to compare the price of an early wrx (91/92 models) to that of an st205 (1994+) As I said, if you're going to compare the price of 2 cars - at least try and compare two examples of similar age - i'm yet to se a 94+ manual wrx go for $3500 and I'm willing to bet it'll be a while before I do.

your not making a lot of sense!

I'm making a whole lot more sense than anyone that thinks the picture below is an example of the interior of a high end luxury performance car

i dont know how much evos are... hence i havnt mentioned it....
plus they are mitsis and not worthy of my time

here are a few examples of the price of a 1995 evo
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Here are the celicas from that time

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still not making sense?

[touge rolla]

And if we go back to the original topic we can see from your post that an ST205 is a good buy at $7-$8k and is not in evo price territory (except maybe evo 4's, but not many like them and they don't have that extra equipment like brembo's and water sprayers that were mentioned earlier in this thread)

[RunningRich]

Cool! An internet pissing match!!

I'm making a whole lot more sense than anyone that thinks the picture below is an example of the interior of a high end luxury performance car

I see a tacky chromed stereo (with band expander no doubt), a Repco gearknob (gearstick hacksawed off to make a "short shifter"). Not quite sure what you are trying to show from this photo? My ST205 has the rare factory leather, maybe I'm spoilt but EVO's and WRX's feel so cheap. I'd compare them more to a Corolla or Mirage interior (cheap, in keeping with their market segment), not nicer interiors of the larger cars like the V6 VR4, Chasers or Legacys.

here are a few examples of the price of a 1995 evo

?? Are trademe asking prices really relevant to anything? The NZ used "performance" car market is driven by vehicle financing and boyracer popularity. I remember the days when the car yards were full of $17000 preludes and $13000 FX-GT's, simply because they were the popular import at that time. The prices the cars sold for had nothing to do with their value new, or quality for that matter. I know a few Prelude owners who we pissed off when they could push their fingers through the rusty bodywork two years later! The higher asking prices reflected popularity, nothing to do with the cars themselves.

Anyway, think what you will about the ST205. I am happy knowing that mine will outlive 90% of the WRX's and EVO's on the road and never be seen covered in Supercheap modifications, trashed, driven by someone who can't afford to fix the damage as they paid for it on 30% finance.

[cogent]

Sorry, that 'high end luxury performance car interior' gets shit all over by my RX7's interior - which isnt even a 'luxury' performance car.

[rollaholic]

i think his point was that the interior is kinda junky.

edit - that price comparison above is a total farce btw.

[B1NZ]

Cool! An internet pissing match!!
I see a tacky chromed stereo (with band expander no doubt), a Repco gearknob (gearstick hacksawed off to make a "short shifter"). Not quite sure what you are trying to show from this photo? My ST205 has the rare factory leather, maybe I'm spoilt but EVO's and WRX's feel so cheap. I'd compare them more to a Corolla or Mirage interior (cheap, in keeping with their market segment), not nicer interiors of the larger cars like the V6 VR4, Chasers or Legacys.

I dont see this as an internet pissing match, just people arguing a point that just because this is posted on a Toyota forum, It doesn't mean that the toyota is the best option because of it. -BTW you forgot the PHAT jandal the driver was wearing and the cool repco floor mats that us WRX and EVO owners all have in our cars
Also I hate leather interiors, but thats just my opinion, Im not sure what yours is like but I've sat in an old toyota that had "leather interior" and it felt like plastic to me

?? Are trademe asking prices really relevant to anything? The NZ used "performance" car market is driven by vehicle financing and boyracer popularity. I remember the days when the car yards were full of $17000 preludes and $13000 FX-GT's, simply because they were the popular import at that time. The prices the cars sold for had nothing to do with their value new, or quality for that matter. I know a few Prelude owners who we pissed off when they could push their fingers through the rusty bodywork two years later! The higher asking prices reflected popularity, nothing to do with the cars themselves.

Considering how this tread started then I think "Yes" it is. The reason those cars were popular and were fetching that price back then is that they were seen as good bang for buck in terms of performance. The same reason why Evos and imprezas are becoming more popular, If ST205's are cheaper to buy then why are they not outselling Evos or WRX's if they are so much better? I know of a few reall good STI's being sold recently for low money, It's usually only the owners of the modified ones that try to get stupid prices, and occasionally they do find similar idiots to buy them

Anyway, think what you will about the ST205. I am happy knowing that mine will outlive 90% of the WRX's and EVO's on the road and never be seen covered in Supercheap modifications, trashed, driven by someone who can't afford to fix the damage as they paid for it on 30% finance.

And it might not either, What's not to say it explodes tomorrow on your way to work? I hope it doenst happen but all I'm saying is that theres always that "what if" in the back of your mind with performance cars or any cars for that matter.
Well I might jump in my thrashed STI with its supercheap modifications and go blow it up then sell is as I cant afford the repairs cos I got it on 30% finance

[d1 mule]

^^LOL lets compare the prices of extremely modified 400WKW evos to fairly stock celicas lol .

good comparison

[cogent]

in this thread: GT-Four owners get irritated at thier AWD turbo 2L sports cars being compared to similar age and price bracket AWD turbo 2l sports cars.

[Mr Revhead]

nah, more like a bunch of nzpc magazine readers bitching about cars they have never driven