AE92 Rear outter control arm bushes.

[shazeal]

The question first, has someone put the wrong control arm on my car?

I picked up some super-pro bushes today to replace the rear outter control arm bushes, however I struck a strange problem.
I just did the arm closest to the rear bumper as it was the ones that failed the WoF, but when I put them on there is a massive gap between each end of the bushes and the U shaped part that comes from the middle of the chassis. (Sorry I didnt have a camera with me so excuse my awsome drawing).



This is pretty much what it looks like, but it seems like the longer crush tube should go in the arm toward the front of the car, and the smaller tube (there were 2 sizes in the pack) should go on the rear. The old bushes were exactly the same size as the super-pro ones using the short tube. The 2 U part on the control arms are currently exactly the same width.

It seems to me it should have an arm with a smaller U part on the rear. Or did I just get the wrong bushes?

[shazeal]

Well I went down to a wreckers that had a Levin and Sedan in the lot, it looks like they supplied me with the bushes for an AE92 Sedan
Spoke to auto-align they said they might be able to match something up, otherwise Id have to get something made. Surely there must be somewhere that sells the correct non rubber bushes?

[Bazda]

I got Nolathane ones, they fitted mint.
I also got some other brand ones (blue) and they were damn tight to fit so I kept with Nolathane through out the whole car.

And from your picture, I dont get how the metal tube can be longer than the mounts it self!! something def aint right there.

[shazeal]

These are the ones I got.



As you can see one set of crush tubes is longer than the others yet all the bushes remain the same length, I am starting to wonder if its actually supposed to be this way.

I got Nolathane ones, they fitted mint.

Nolathane dont seem to list any rear outter control arm bushes for the AE92, did you have to get them as seperate bushes/tubes?

The only other listing on superpro bushes are 32mm OD, where mine are 28mm OD, I am assuming the ones you talk about were the 32mm ones?

[Mr Revhead]

there is no nolathane rear control arm bush for corollas
but there is a trailing arm bush
the probably is a nolathane one that will do it, matched form something else.
i could find it but i would need a hub and an arm to find it

[shazeal]

Bazda mentioned he had done it before so I looked up his project, here is a comparison. It actually looks like the hubs on mine have smaller mounts?

Here is my mess.


Here is Bazda's


As you said Rev Ill more than likely need to take the car in somewhere and get them to fit something up, which is usually pretty expensive :/

[Mr Revhead]

yeah you got the wrongs ones

can you do with out the car for a few days?
take the hub and arm off and take it in to autolign. they will be happy to match it up
no charge for that
hell, if you can take exact measurements i can do it for you
but am away till next week

[shazeal]

Yeah looks like thats what Ill have to do, thanks. No problem going without the car, doing a really bad job at touching up some of the panels with a spray can at the moment to cover up some of the rust till I can afford a real paint job

[Bazda]

looks like you got supplied the wrong bushes.
The metal sleeve is fine though.

Just measure up what you need it to be. I used suspension autotech specialists to get my blue urethane ones and they were around $60-$80 for the set.

But I would rather use the nolathane stuff, seems a bit softer and more ductile.

[shazeal]

Ok, I have been to stocks, SAS, auto-align, none of them can fit anything with the specs of whats on my car. Autoalign said they can make something thats the best I got. So I have NFI what to do, it just seems like something is not right here, the guy at SAS said it sounds like either the arms or the hub mounts are the wrong size as they list nothing that would fit.

Which takes me back to when I got the Springs made for my car by chamberlain, they had to make custom springs for the back as the ones they had put on AE92 Levin/Sprinters before were too high... This is driving me nuts.

The sizes for something that would fit my setup is...

Bush 50mm overall length, 10mm flange, 28mm OD.
Tube 50mm length, 12mm ID.

[shazeal]

Ok so I was lying under my car swearing at the damn thing, when I had a brainstorm...



Chopped the flanges off the bushes I didnt need from the kit, fits mint for now. Eventually Ill have to get something made up though I guess.

[Bazda]

If you wait till I come back from China I can get you the part number of the ones I got.

[shazeal]

Yep that would be awsome mate. Goes good as with the flanges stuck in as spacers, but it will wear out pretty quick Id guess so would still like to get the correct ones in there

[Mr Revhead]

there is NO listing for that part for bushes... its a match up job

[shazeal]

I keep looking at those mounts on Bazda's car. They really do look bigger than mine, I'm guessing I have 4age AE92 hubs. I talked to a guy at the local toyota and the GZE hubs have a totally different part number to the standard Levin ones. His ones also say GZE on them?

If you look at Bazda's the mounts sit proud of the arm mount, where mine sit level or even under the arm mounts. The car had all sorts of stupid *&$! done to it when I got it, so it wouldn't surprise me.

So I would hazard a guess my car should be using the 32mm OD bushes which are listed by super pro, which also have a larger flange. P/N 1039K, its pretty obvious now when I look at it. It would also explain why I had to get custom springs made for the back.

But this all means that my springs wont be right for the proper hubs!

[Mr Revhead]

springs wont affect the hubs....

[shazeal]

Ok problem solved, cause was me being a total idiot and not knowing what to expect, and suppliers having no clue as to what bush went on the car.

I pulled the whole strut off today and in the process a ring of black... stuff caked on inside the control arm mounts fell out. At which point I noticed the metal inserts inside the mount.
A large hammer and a 27mm socket and alot of smashing got them out revealing the 32mm diameter hole instead of the 28mm that was there with the metal inserts. Went down and picked up a 1039K super pro kit from SAS after confirming they had a 10mm flange and 32mm OD.
Stuck them on and the car feels like new, I didnt realise how bad it was. So thanks for your help guys hopefully this will help someone else in the same situation as me

[shazeal]

Oh as a side note, after checking out a GZE being wrecked locally I confirmed that my hubs were the 4age style ones, the only difference being the style of bushing used. The 4age one has slim tapered bushes, the GZE hub has huge fat ones with the 10mm flange, but the OD without the metal insert in there is the same.