Have my valves hit my pistons..

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Have my valves hit my pistons..

Postby skoty » Tue Feb 03, 2009 11:16 pm

Havn't got the answer I've been after on the silvia forums but its a fairly generalised question. My cam chain skipped a few teeth, engine runs but poorly. If say my valves did make any contact with the pistons you surely would be able to feel it by manually winding over the engine right? Ie when i reset the timing with a new tensioner etc she should be fine?
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Postby Lloyd » Tue Feb 03, 2009 11:17 pm

Do a compression test
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Postby FULLOC » Wed Feb 04, 2009 11:03 am

reset timing and find out... id say youd know all about it if it had hit
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Postby Lloyd » Wed Feb 04, 2009 5:22 pm

Duh, stupid me assuming you'd put the chain on already. If they've hit then chances are they're bend out of the way of the pistons anyway so winding it over wont help.

Could whip the rocker cover off and make sure the valves are all sitting up at the same height
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Postby skoty » Thu Feb 05, 2009 5:18 pm

FULLOC wrote:reset timing and find out...


Easier said than done, anyone ever had to replace the chain on a nissan sr20? Still in the process now, the sump and the cam gears have to come off to get access to the front cover plate bolts along with all the other shit around it :x

Its skipped about 4-5 teeth, stressen out if its going to be sweet or not? Was running after it slipped but badly, no unusual sounds though.
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Postby skoty » Thu Feb 05, 2009 5:20 pm

HRT wrote:Could whip the rocker cover off and make sure the valves are all sitting up at the same height


Yeah still hard to tell aye
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Postby lucasthefallen » Thu Feb 05, 2009 5:41 pm

a cylinder leakage test would tell you quickly.
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Postby rollaholic » Thu Feb 05, 2009 6:06 pm

tough to do a leakage test with no cam chain :D

buy a toyota imo :P
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Postby skoty » Thu Feb 05, 2009 6:11 pm

rollaholic wrote:tough to do a leakage test with no cam chain :D

buy a toyota imo :P


Still does have the chain on, just slipped around a few teeth. Yeah bring back the 4ages with the non-interference heads 8)
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Postby rollaholic » Thu Feb 05, 2009 6:14 pm

oh you made it sound like you had a mess of SR bits on the floor.

will still be difficult to do leakage test with cam chain timing out, particularly if the cams havent skipped in sync
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Postby Mr Revhead » Thu Feb 05, 2009 6:15 pm

how did it skip a few teeth?
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Postby skoty » Thu Feb 05, 2009 6:24 pm

Mr Revhead wrote:how did it skip a few teeth?


When replacing the hydraulic tensioner, when the chain slackened must of slipped or something. SR chains often like to rattle as the tensioners like to play up sometimes
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Postby pc » Thu Feb 05, 2009 9:55 pm

Sounds odd... I replaced an SR18 head once and from memory the hydraulic part was only to hold the tension. There is a catch system on the tensioner to stop it completely slacking off, was it broken?
Can you see enough of the tops of the pistons down the sparkplug holes to see if there is any surface damage? Maybe a tiny mirror & an LED on the end of a wire will let you see enough.
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Postby Rob » Sat Feb 07, 2009 7:17 pm

Take the rocker cover off and check the clearances between the cam and the buckets. If the clearances are easily visible then you know something is wrong.

Also if the chain needs replacing which sounds like the case, then turn the cams over by themselves (if its possible) to see how tight the valves are

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Postby skoty » Sun Feb 08, 2009 11:26 am

pc wrote:Sounds odd... I replaced an SR18 head once and from memory the hydraulic part was only to hold the tension. There is a catch system on the tensioner to stop it completely slacking off, was it broken?
Can you see enough of the tops of the pistons down the sparkplug holes to see if there is any surface damage? Maybe a tiny mirror & an LED on the end of a wire will let you see enough.


The chain did completly slacken off unfortunatly. Tryed to look down the spark plug holes but dont want to risk putting anything down there just in case in falls off n I then have to take the head off.
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