Looking for technical adviser for my new N/A motor.

[Paulio]

I guess the power im looking for would be from 5 - 10/11k rpm.

are you bolting a turbo onto this engine? i think highly strung, small displacement NA engines can only dream of such massive power bands

not this time, no. i have no idea lol, thats why im asking for knowledge.

starlie, quite interested in your set-up. got any more details on your setup?

[ChaosAD]

Going from a stock bluetop to a silvertop bottem end with an exedy flywheel (think it was 4.?? kg) I didnt really notice much difference with hill starts etc.

Although that was with 11:1 CR and stock cams

[nzae86]

has anyone here had any experience with the Formula Atlantic 4AGE?

those things sound yum revving their nuts off

Yes but be prepared to apply for a limit increase on your credit card!!

http://www.aeu86.org/viewtopic/nzae86s- ... 71/start=0

[Bazda]

When you say you want to rev it to 10k, you better open up your pockets.

For the head work alone for this type of power band will set you back hmm around $5k-6k (probably even more actually) at Lynn Rodgers Automotive. They have made many 4age 230-240hp engines using a 16v heads. With VERY extensive porting.

The standard oil pump wont survive these revs very long at all, lynn told me you would need to use a dry sump system.

[Paulio]

When you say you want to rev it to 10k, you better open up your pockets.

For the head work alone for this type of power band will set you back hmm around $5k-6k (probably even more actually) at Lynn Rodgers Automotive. They have made many 4age 230-240hp engines using a 16v heads. With VERY extensive porting.

The standard oil pump wont survive these revs very long at all, lynn told me you would need to use a dry sump system.

Within the next 4 - 6 months i hope to have to have it finished for 8 - 10k yes and would be great if i could get 170 - 190 hp, anything more is a sweet bonus (dont want to try for more than 200hp, thats what turbos are for)

That was another one of my questions, the oil system.

[Lith]

Is there any particular purpose you are looking for that power NA? 4AGEs definitely aren't the first place I'd look for if I wanted that power level.

[shihad]

lol if he went honda hed get so much shit:lol:

[Lith]

2ZZGE?

[QikStarlie]

12.5 should run on 98 fine. using 11.5:1 toda pistons and .8mm head gasket on my smallport. runs fine on 95. difference with 98 and more advance was only a few kw on dyno.

as others said will need alot spent on it too pull those revs and make power. mine starts to loose power well before 9k with 310 deg cams, altho the head itself hasnt had much done to it

is this the smallport that runs 14s in your starlet?

yeh. its a bit disappointing really. only makes 105kw at wheels, probably 110ish now have made some changes, but yeh alot of money for not much.

it has,

toda 11.5:182mm pistons
silvertop rods with arp bolts
acl race bearings
trd .8mm gasket
arp head studs
kelford 314/ 308 10mm cams & springs to suit
1szfe buckets, for piece of mind
sharp bits taken out of chambers and valves deshielded
ports are pretty much standard.
silvertop quads
custom extractors

these are the cams,
http://www.camshaftshop.co.nz/index.php ... w.tpl.html
i would go for there high velocity ones if i was doing it again. before the above ones i used some of there rally ones. found them pretty boring to tell the truth

for it to make more power, would need some port work and possibly bigger valves etc..

[AceSniper]

BNT are doing exedy fly for 499+gst atm rrp is 899 or somthing.

Using toda 11.6 pistons TRD .8mm h/g + .2mm skim runs on shell 95 and 98

[Paulio]

Is there any particular purpose you are looking for that power NA? 4AGEs definitely aren't the first place I'd look for if I wanted that power level.

yep, my car got raped of everything including the 4" speakers. so im leaving the turbo out of this engine.

more a learning curve, im a 4agte killer. hopefully after this build i will have some quality knowledge to build a nice reliable 4agte, then i will move on.

[shihad]

actually 2zzge is interesting i reckon it would be bout the same cost wouldnt it? if you started with nothing and wanted 190hp-200hp regardless of what car it was going in.wouldnt 2zzge be at least 5grand?

[Paulio]

actually 2zzge is interesting i reckon it would be bout the same cost wouldnt it? if you started with nothing and wanted 190hp-200hp regardless of what car it was going in.wouldnt 2zzge be at least 5grand?

last time i priced one it was 2k aussie, about 3k nz delivered. problem is i need some quality knowledge before getting in to one of those, 4age is a good benchmark.

[matt dunn]

They can be had cheaper if you wait, search, or have contacts.

I was going to go 2ZZGTE instead of the 7AGTE, and found a few for around $1800,

but they are a real mission to run RWD and It would have taken longer than we had to get it in and finished.

They have a whole set of their own problems too though with RPM's.

[Paulio]

They can be had cheaper if you wait, search, or have contacts.

I was going to go 2ZZGTE instead of the 7AGTE, and found a few for around $1800,

but they are a real mission to run RWD and It would have taken longer than we had to get it in and finished.

They have a whole set of their own problems too though with RPM's.

I feel ya, a whole new can of worms! apart from the alloy block they should have quite some potential though, being VVTL-i and all. *droool*

[xsspeed]

I remember reading something about them to do with maybe excessive piston slap, or the combustion chamber walls not being strong/thick enough and breaking or something

[Paulio]

I remember reading something about them to do with maybe excessive piston slap, or the combustion chamber walls not being strong/thick enough and breaking or something

i guess the same issue the honda guys have with their alloy blocks. you can strengthen them obviously.

anyhow, thats just a dream at the moment.

I will be seeing the bro at BNT for a sharp deal on that crome-moly flywheel, $562.50 or less for a new, lightweight flywheel from a local shop.. unbeatable!

and hopefully be constructing a dry sump set-up with the hydraulic bro, looks very feasible. could make 2 of everything if anyone is interested in one? i will probably make 2 anyway, 1 to test with and 1 production.

QikStarlie, you running a tuned ecu too? pretty lame aye, 10kw more power for all that.

paulio

[QikStarlie]

yeh has g3 link. stock seem to make 80-85kw at wheels, so has gained 20kw or so.