JZX100 vs JZA80 (like for like)

[Looonie]

Wanting to hear from people who have driven both of these vehicles...

Either auto turbo JZX100 vs auto turbo JZA80 or manual turbo version of both...

Curious to see how they compare in general handling, cornering ability, nimbleness etc... Obviously with similar mods... prefer stock vs stock...

So... anybody with money done some test driving?

[possum]

I own factory manual turbo jzx100 chaser. Awesome car to drive, real head turner hehehe. any ways, handling on factory suspension is crap ill tell you right now, big, heavy car lots of body roll its more of a luxury cruser, so its nice and smooth on the road. Lets talk about power now hahaha lots and lots of torque, you dont get big kick like most of turbo cars, power delivery is very smooth and all the way to about 6700rpm (7k is redline) mods are hks panel replacement filter and 3" exhaust and 11psi thats all i get, and that all it takes to beat rx7s, gtt caldinas and mildly tuned evo 4 5s, vr4s with 17psi of boost and b18c civic with bolt on turbo kit that all of top of my head who i had a go with, thats all on the straight like of course. I had a go with 2jz-gtte auto aristo and we were the same speed to the speed cut. 3rd gear take you of the clock, so that gives you an idea about how long gears are. Fuel consumption on open road is 9L/100kms around town 11L/kms thats where VVTi helps you, so its better on gas that you ordinary RB25DET

[Makaveli]

1JZ 378Nm
2JZ 451Nm

I would say for street/drift/circuit 1JZ is more than enough. 2JZ is better if you want to do drag racing and make more than 600hp.

Both have heaps of torque from low rpm, no turbo lag unlike your Evos etc.

Handling is another thing. Chaser/Mark II/Cresta is longer wheelbase 2730mm (better high speed stability) Supra 2550mm it's definately going to be nimbler on on the slower corners than a JZX100.

Weight 1510kg (Supra) VS 1480kg (JZX100) Bear in mind that Chaser is 4 doors and less weight....... Supras are like whales.

If you want the best handling Toyota ever build, try an MR-S. Some say they look girly. But they handle like a dream.

[strx7]

Weight 1510kg (Supra) VS 1480kg (JZX100) Bear in mind that Chaser is 4 doors and less weight....... Supras are like whales.
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Supra are like whales you say......

non turbo 1993 AUTO JZA80 at an autocross, as it left the factory apart from tyres and biltsteins. Consistant top 5 times against evo's wrx's and everything else under the sun, all of which were driven by regular car club competitors.
in this condition the non turbo auto JZA80 tipped the scales to 1420KG

Lets look at some other comparable cars as far as weight goes
E36 BMW M3 1460Kg
E46 BMW M3 1549Kg
E90 BMW M3 Coupe 1680kg

the other cars in the JZA80's "target' are the same kind weight. There is alot of very good items (from a racers point of view) hidden in a JZA80 - full alloy subframe, alloy suspension arms etc all reduce the unsprung weight.

[DriftSpecStarlet]

What actually makes the JZA80 So heavy? Dads got one in the shed and ive had a good look at the car but it doesnt seem to be all that much... Yeah its got funny silly things like twin exhaust all the way to the back but i just cant figure out where it all comes from for a 2 door coupe

[Mr Revhead]

they are big
and solid
everything about them is big chunky.
except the interior! tardis effect in reverse!

when you stick one next to say an ae111 levin that weigh maybe 1050-1150kgs
and consider the size vs weight of all the inside bits, like engine, gearbox, diff, brakes
then consider ae111s are made to be cheap. and supras made to be sporty luxury coupes, its easy to see where the weight is.

[spencer]

The supras just handle better ive driven both the supra and the jzx100, the 100 is a great tourer with abit of poke but the supra is so much better in every way.

[Snaps]

I have a (N/A) Supra, but have never been in a Chaser.

I would expect the Chaser to be a lot less sporty, and more cruisy than the supra.

Obviously the 2JZ has more power and torque than the 1JZ, so that's a plus.

The only common problems with supra's I can really think of at the moment are the hatch rubbers - sometimes they go hard and squeak. I couldn't tell you anything about the Chasers problems though.

Edit: Changed everything to chaser, it's not Soarer

[strx7]

What actually makes the JZA80 So heavy?

all the over engineering components.
Block, Crank, Rods, the turbos (on a turbo one) the gearbox/trans, diff parts, axles and the sheer size of it - they are only 25-30mm narrower and 40mm shorter than a GTO yet they dont look that big do they??????

[Lloyd]

yet they dont look that big do they??????

o_O

Maybe if you're looking with your eyes shut

[Mr.Phreak]

I have a (N/A) Supra, but have never been in a Soarer.

I would expect the Soarer to be a lot less sporty, and more cruisy than the supra - because it's also a lexus car (SC300).

Obviously the 2JZ has more power and torque than the 1JZ, so that's a plus.

The only common problems with supra's I can really think of at the moment are the hatch rubbers - sometimes they go hard and squeak. I couldn't tell you anything about the Soarers problems though.

Who said anything about Soarers??

[Snaps]

lol, I had just woken up and obviously wasn't thinking right

[strx7]

yet they dont look that big do they??????

o_O

Maybe if you're looking with your eyes shut

If you walk around a supra and have a good look at it in person you realise they are a large car, if you just see them driving past you dont realise how big they are.

[FLAWLES]

The supras just handle better ive driven both the supra and the jzx100, the 100 is a great tourer with abit of poke but the supra is so much better in every way.

you lie ha

each to there own
and it comes down to what you want, and if you want to take pple and things on trips
i have also driven both ( and onw a 100 )and altho i did like the jza80 ( it was auto ) and it was fast just felt to me like it was crampt, i would have loved to have taken it for a bit more of a " spirated drive " but owner didnt want me to

and for the jzx100 theres a few spec options the pic of the bunch is the
tourer S ( 1jzge vvt-i )
tourer V ( 1jzgte vvt-i )
i had my 100 with std shocks and hks springs for about three yrs and there was nothing wrong with the handling at all
i just converted my tourer s to tourer v, but still keeping it auto due to the price of r154 box's
even runing factory boost there a hand full, but with simple things like lsd, good suspension work ( incl sway bars ) like anything there a demon at the track
price was tho both the tourer v and rz supras hold there price's more so the manual one's,
to me the jzx100's are way more desirible but again that me and im kinda over two door cars

this is trents from totaly toyota in the nakis jzx100 and its a bargin for the $$$

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing ... =216164549

[strx7]

I honestly think this is like comparing an R32 GTR to a R33 Sedan, which is, to put it bluntly, comparing a Japanese Supercar to a Family sedan

You can put the supercar engine into the family sedan but at the end of the day it was built to be a family sedan not a true GT car, get them both onto a track (true track with lots of corners not pukekohe) or thru a good section of twisty road and the GT car will show its true colours over the family sedan.

I aint dissing a chaser, just pointing out that it was never ment to be, nor never will be a Mk4 Supra

[2jayzgte]

Wanting to hear from people who have driven both of these vehicles...

Either auto turbo JZX100 vs auto turbo JZA80 or manual turbo version of both...

Curious to see how they compare in general handling, cornering ability, nimbleness etc... Obviously with similar mods... prefer stock vs stock...

So... anybody with money done some test driving?

I can't give you the low down on Chasers but have owned 3 MKIV Supra's 2 Auto and a 6-Spd TT.

Things that are advantage to have when looking to buy 4/2 pot brake set-up this was option late 94-95 onwards,A torsen LSD you will be able to find this out on the engine plate on a manual it will read either BO2B or BO3B on an Auto it will read AO2B with the last B on both being the the indicator of the Torsen diff.

430 NM is for pre 97 JZA80 TT Supra's,450 NM for VVTI TT Supra's.

As for handling from stock the car feels soft as most cars do but it will feel fairly neutral.I have a TRD Suspension set-up in mine and it really sharpens the cars handling up alot.As for Brakes as long as you have those 4/2 pot combo your set they are some of the strongest brakes you'll see on a performance car.

Manual vs Auto there is very little in performance between the 2 the manual is better for quicker driving as you have a little more control but theres nothing wrong with the A340 E its a fairly bullet-proof Auto and can take alot of punishment.I have an Auto now and have been beating it up at the track for quite a few years now and have'nt had any major issue's as yet so they are very tough.

[TRD Man]

I've owned both. In fact I sold the 1st Tourer V to be registered in the country.
At the time the Tourer was something special. We had people flying in from all over the country to look at it but ended up selling it locally.

Good looking, quick and generally did everything very well. But in truth we could have sold the car a dozen times over if it was auto.

By comparison the Supras (I think I had about 4) seemed a little baggy. They were harder to get a decent driving position, and seemed clumsy & less precise to drive.

I would've chosen the Tourer by preference.

Today the Tourer is just another Mk2 but a Supra is still a sought after stylish car.
If practicality allowed it, today I'd buy a Supra.

[FLAWLES]

on a side note
jzx110 mark II and verrosa's tourer V's are almost cheaper than jzx100 at the mo

i have been eyeing up a black jzx110 mark II for the last few weeks

[Looonie]

I've owned both. In fact I sold the 1st Tourer V to be registered in the country.
At the time the Tourer was something special. We had people flying in from all over the country to look at it but ended up selling it locally.

Good looking, quick and generally did everything very well. But in truth we could have sold the car a dozen times over if it was auto.

By comparison the Supras (I think I had about 4) seemed a little baggy. They were harder to get a decent driving position, and seemed clumsy & less precise to drive.

I would've chosen the Tourer by preference.

Today the Tourer is just another Mk2 but a Supra is still a sought after stylish car.
If practicality allowed it, today I'd buy a Supra.

So if I'm reading you correct, you felt the JZX100 was a sharper handling car?

But if you were to buy one now, you'd prefer a MKIV? What are your reasons for this then? Is it purely a fiscal decision because the MKIV will hold its value better, or are there other factors in your choice? It just seems strange that it appears to me you said the JZX100 felt like the better car, easier to get good driving position etc, but then say you'd buy a Supra...

My feel on the matter is that the JZX100 would feel like a more sporty car, feel happier to rev out and considering its cheaper than the MKIV (although the margin is narrowing of late) better value for money... but if somebody who has owned/driven both (like for like) can do a back to back comparison of their views of both cars, that should outweigh any difference in $$ value.

[spencer]

^ well my dad had two RZ supras and ive test driven a few jzx100's and been in yours and stock for stock teh supra would eat it. As far as i was concerned the scoops felt more nimble plus the extra 500cc, plus the six speed is awesome compared to the truck like R154