General Enq on, Toyota Aristo's

[Oggie]

Hi I'm a long time perver... 1st time poster

ok i am close to one year from paying off my mitsi legnum str, I am looking at buying a toyota around then, be it a trade in or a swap i dont know.

I have my eye's on aristo's, namely the twin turbo inline 6 models,

what i am wanting to know is. what am i in for? what known trouble to they have etc...

I know chances are i will end up with an auto so what would a conversion to a manual set me back?

PS. i have also looked at mr2's, Ma70's and thats about it.. but mainly got my eye on a aristo ( droool )...

any help would be swettas apple pie.

[GTTpower]

You'll be looking for the JZS141 or 161 if you can stretch your budget. Heavy and thirsty with the usual toyota reliability and a smooth ride.

If your looking to go for a manual turbo JZ however I suggest a Chaser Tourer V or Soarer/Supra etc.. Manual conversion parts are big $$$ which may cost you more in the long run.

[FLAWLES]

there about as thirsty as the next car and pedening on how heavy your foot is
its all about your driving style

aristo's are good luxo barges and great cruzers, 2jzge or te are bullet proof engines and respond well to small tinkering

manual parts again can be dare but it all comes down to who you know and what bargain you can find ( nothing wrong with the auto transmissions when they have shift kitted )

have seen a few arsitos and there lexus counter parts coming into the country atm with v160 6spd conversions done in the mother land

darest part of the conversion is and will be the box be it a v160, r154 or a w58 with a jz bell housing

as for heavy there about teh same weight as a jzx100/jza80 almost inbetween

[Jason T]

Hi I'm a long time perver... 1st time poster

ok i am close to one year from paying off my mitsi legnum str, I am looking at buying a toyota around then, be it a trade in or a swap i dont know.

I have my eye's on aristo's, namely the twin turbo inline 6 models,

what i am wanting to know is. what am i in for? what known trouble to they have etc...

I know chances are i will end up with an auto so what would a conversion to a manual set me back?

PS. i have also looked at mr2's, Ma70's and thats about it.. but mainly got my eye on a aristo ( droool )...

any help would be swettas apple pie.

JZ147 2JZ-GTE is a old looking car easily mistaken for a Windom but hey im biased

JZS161 2JZ-GTE is a modern looking Merc clone

I have steped from a MA70 300hp at wheels to JZS161 TT Aristo TT VVti the improvements over early model JZS147 are vast yes I have driven a few before buying

No I dont plan to change to 5 speed as the steering wheel changing auto is too much fun (remote shift R154 will line up )

Have look at this forum for specs etc known issues http://www.clublexus.com/forums/gs-models-4/

Lower arm ball joints are main known fault

[edwagon]

there about as thirsty as the next car and pedening on how heavy your foot is
its all about your driving style

as for heavy there about teh same weight as a jzx100/jza80 almost inbetween

I have owned a Turbo 147 and VERY nearly bought a 161 - I like my Aristos!
BUT
They are thirsty, no matter how quietly you try to drive you'll use alot of fuel.
And they are BLOODY heavy - much heavier than jzx and jza. They do a a very good job of masking their weight, but there is no mistaking the fact that these are very heavy vehicles - pretty much VIP/cruiser only if you ask me - def not a sports car, and even the turbos aren't really sporty - just powerful

[Boosted_162]

there about as thirsty as the next car and pedening on how heavy your foot is
its all about your driving style

as for heavy there about teh same weight as a jzx100/jza80 almost inbetween

I have owned a Turbo 147 and VERY nearly bought a 161 - I like my Aristos!
BUT
They are thirsty, no matter how quietly you try to drive you'll use alot of fuel.
And they are BLOODY heavy - much heavier than jzx and jza. They do a a very good job of masking their weight, but there is no mistaking the fact that these are very heavy vehicles - pretty much VIP/cruiser only if you ask me - def not a sports car, and even the turbos aren't really sporty - just powerful

Completely agree. I had a JZS147 (GS300, 2JZGE) and it got 7km/l no matter how i drove it! No matter wether i was nice or thrashed it, it always got 7km/l

But in saying that, it was probably the best car ive owned. Mine was standard bar wheels and coilovers. It was so comfy and easy to drive, and had heaps of power even n/a.

[Lloyd]

JZS143, heavy as heavy can be. 2JZ-GE. Thirsty

[Oggie]

JZS143, heavy as heavy can be. 2JZ-GE. Thirsty

Well i admit i been known to have a heavy foot to blow cobwebs out or just listen to the musical notes the exhaust makes at different revs etc

but in sayying that. i been known to nanny drive 90% of the time..

I spose i want something different that wont draw attention if i do some after market mods etc. heck even my legnum does not get look at sideways by the police which is good.

[strx7]

at 1680kg for the turbo versions they are on par with their european competition ie 5 series BMW etc

[the fallen303]

had our aristo on weigh bridge, 1800kg with full tank and me in it (70kg at the time) look on jzs147.com.au for info. can do a true twin turbo mod so that the first turbo doesn't spool during daily driving, better on gas, but makes car gutless, can feel it's weight.

none of the aristo's came factory manual, so either have to convert, or find one already converted.

a lot of people say that they are just a cruiser, but i've had ours out on country roads, and found it just as fun to drive as my supra in the twistys. and ours just has jza80 suspension.

problems they have are window regulators are common to shit themselves, and hard to find. i had to buy a parts car to fix ours. also window switches, and door locks die.

[Oggie]

none of the aristo's came factory manual, so either have to convert, or find one already converted.

Are you 100% sure of that? I seen so called manual's 147's for sale on tardme with t.t. manuals.

and they look pretty damn stock on the centre console..

but i dont mind if its auto to start with.. something for me to work towards later witha 6spd box. or shift kitted as someone said earlier.

and i been perving pootube and omg. there are some seriously phat aristo's...

[strx7]

Are you 100% sure of that? I seen so called manual's 147's for sale on tardme with t.t. manuals.

Have a look here http://english.auto.vl.ru/catalog/toyota/aristo/ and see for yourself

[Oggie]

Are you 100% sure of that? I seen so called manual's 147's for sale on tardme with t.t. manuals.

Have a look here http://english.auto.vl.ru/catalog/toyota/aristo/ and see for yourself

hmmmm noob question time and sorry for it...

is there a model name difference between the turbo and na versions of say a 96 aristo? and if so what are they?

tyvm

[the fallen303]

i have a 92 jzs147 twin turbo, and a 94 jzs147 n/a. that side of the model code is exactly the same regardless, as it just describes the engine type, the chassis family, and model of that family. so jzs147 is

jz = jz series engine, wether it's 1 or 2j, turbo or auto
s = s chassis family, mainly aristo's, crowns, plus a couple of others, the big luxobarge of the toyotas anyway
147 = 92-98ish series of aristo

the aristo's had a facelift from series 1 to series 2 at around 95-96, different rear bumper, wing, lights, few other little things.

with regards to manuals looking factory, a lot of the japanese conversions are done by company's that do several conversions a week, so they've had a lot of practice, and actually make new panels that fit back in like they were supposed to be there. the aristo was NEVER offered as a factory manual.

[Oggie]

thats more or less what i needed to know

and this is what i am drooling over. not keen on the hi k's tho

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Trade-Me-Motor ... 161169.htm

[the fallen303]

ha, thats just run in :p just be careful with the w58, they are a good gearbox, and go well behind JZ engines, just with the torque of the 2j, and weight of the aristo, not too good a combination. on the other hand, probably run fine.

[Oggie]

ha, thats just run in :p just be careful with the w58, they are a good gearbox, and go well behind JZ engines, just with the torque of the 2j, and weight of the aristo, not too good a combination. on the other hand, probably run fine.

RUN IN???!!!?!?!

what is considered too hi for k's?
ideally considering nz.. what would be a desirable find?

use the link i gave on tardeme to compare...

[strx7]

200k's for a jz motor is nothing.

wear wont cause any issues in them under 400ish km. abuse is the only thing that kills them (like most modern motors)

[Oggie]

200k's for a jz motor is nothing.

wear wont cause any issues in them under 400ish km. abuse is the only thing that kills them (like most modern motors)

well yeah i gathered that .


ty

[the fallen303]

it's not the abuse that'll kill a jz engine, we've been thrashing the living shit out of my 1jz for 13 years, and it still pulls like new. the killer is bad maintanance.