Moon landing

[~SlideWays~]

Hell, its even more beated to death than JFK!

Or the whole 'Jesus' conspiracy theory!

I reckon Jesus did exist, but it was just some drunk dude telling weird stories of burning bushes and zombies.

[Timmo]

Yeah....and that was my point (although not worded very well haha- Ill try again)

The conspiracy theorist poses a question to refute the moon landings or to support their theory. (Why did the flag move? It was wind! Cf. It moved due to being touched/placed in the ground)
They are therefore looking for an answer/evidence to try and change their mind and explain why their conspiracy theory cannot be correct.
Even when given overwhelming evidence countering their conspiracy theory, they still don't believe.

So even if you could tell the conspiracy theorist an answer based on flawless, irrefutable, concrete evidence (such as that that exists in this case) they still would not believe you.....they would likely construct another story/theory in their head that countered the mass of evidence to maintain their conspiracy theory.

In other words- They may not believe anything, regardless of the evidence. They, therefore, should be ignored, it is a fruitless effort to try and convince them of reality.

Im all for trying to keep and open mind.....but sheesh!

So here is some more evidence: Recently aquired shots of the landing sites taken by the new LRO showing the modules left on the surface (still not at its final mapping orbit height so these images will get better)

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/LRO/multimedia/lroimages/apollosites.html
But of course....these images are all part of the conspiracy too?!

[Dell'Orto]

Hell, its even more beated to death than JFK!

But he was shot....

















Or was he

[d1 mule]

i voted un-decided.

i saw a mythbusters dedicated to the moon landings and basically they took all of the consprircy theorys and tested them, such as the flag waving, the footprints in the moons surface and way they were moving etc etc and it all come to the conclusion thet yes they didi go to the moon,

However, i just dont think the technology existed back in '69 to allow a moon landing let alone a moon landing the return to earth...

[pjay]

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/LRO/multimedia/lroimages/apollosites.html

Thats sooo photoshop I just don't understand why no other countries haven't visited the moon. Its not liek the US owns it. And its not liek in that short visit (if it happened) they obtained enough research material to never visit again

[Mr Revhead]

there's this thing called money.....
the cost was simply stupid. and would be so much more now.
and all the time NASA keeps having its budget chopped... and so does the military.... who funded a lot of the work that went into earlier missions that made it all possible.

seriously, think about it. the political aspects etc. in the 60s the American ppl were all for spending money on weapons and space exploration. It was national pride, america was rich and was trying to stay ahead of the russians.
by the time the apollo missions were over the attitude was the complete opposite....

and now, what do you think would happen if obama said lets spend that much in todays money (google the figures )

[fivebob]

However, i just dont think the technology existed back in '69 to allow a moon landing let alone a moon landing the return to earth...

The technology most certainly did exist back then, but then again I guess you're not old enough to appreciate that technology is not just the domain of the present generation.

[Adoom]

Hell, its even more beated to death than JFK!

Or the whole 'Jesus' conspiracy theory!

I reckon Jesus did exist, but it was just some drunk dude telling weird stories of burning bushes and zombies.

Then add TWO THOUSAND YEARS of chinese whispers!!!!

[MAGN1T]

I was actually in a position to watch it live on TV.
I'm actually sitting on the fence. The truth is probably somewhere in the middle.
I've got no doubt that NASA had a "plan B" so that if something went wrong like a camera failure, just like in the movie "capricorn one", there was a parallel film set ready to take over and keep the TV ratings going.
So I've got no doubt that some of the film material is hoax but as for everything else......we'll see when a telescope gets pointed in the right direction.

Steve

[Bling]

Voted no.

Saw a program about it on tv years ago. If its on tv it must be true.

[Mr.Phreak]

America always did have the best propaganda

[matt dunn]

and now, what do you think would happen if obama said lets spend that much in todays money (google the figures )

Sorry, but we can't bail out any of the car or finace companies,
and those other 5 million people are going to have to loose there jobs too,

coz were gunna spend 500 billion dollars to send that guy for a 15 minute trip to the moon.......

oh, and please re-elect me again next time.


you mean like that???

[xsspeed]

I was actually in a position to watch it live on TV.
I'm actually sitting on the fence. The truth is probably somewhere in the middle.
I've got no doubt that NASA had a "plan B" so that if something went wrong like a camera failure, just like in the movie "capricorn one", there was a parallel film set ready to take over and keep the TV ratings going.
So I've got no doubt that some of the film material is hoax but as for everything else......we'll see when a telescope gets pointed in the right direction.

Steve

Assuming you were in NZ I don't think you watched it live, according to what was on the news the othernight. Apparently the 'tape' was flown from Oz to NZ by the airforce on a special 'mission' so that it could be played on TV here.

[Mr Revhead]

and now, what do you think would happen if obama said lets spend that much in todays money (google the figures )

Sorry, but we can't bail out any of the car or finace companies,
and those other 5 million people are going to have to loose there jobs too,

coz were gunna spend 500 billion dollars to send that guy for a 15 minute trip to the moon.......

oh, and please re-elect me again next time.


you mean like that???

pretty much!

Some figures in the paper yesterday, new mission to moon estimated cost, 150ish billion. in USD. NASA's space exploration budget for this year. 9 billion USD. hmmm weee gap there!

[Timmo]

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/LRO/multimedia/lroimages/apollosites.html

Thats sooo photoshop I just don't understand why no other countries haven't visited the moon. Its not liek the US owns it. And its not liek in that short visit (if it happened) they obtained enough research material to never visit again

Who has ever claimed that US owned the moon?
Who has ever claimed that they obtained enough research material to never return?? (on that note- how do the CT's explain the hundreds of Kg's of moon rocks brought back from the moon? These are vastly different in composition to anything on earth)


Go and do some research- have a look at the wealth of information about the missions avaliable on the net, in books, in film....rather than rely on six or so bits of 'proof' (all have which been rubbished) that the conspiracy theorists put forward. They simply rely on the ignorance of the general public....examination of information avaliable soon makes it pretty obvious that we have been there.

[~SlideWays~]

http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/LRO/multimedia/lroimages/apollosites.html

Thats sooo photoshop I just don't understand why no other countries haven't visited the moon. Its not liek the US owns it. And its not liek in that short visit (if it happened) they obtained enough research material to never visit again

Because its been done and the cost is better spent on sending probes to other planets. Infact they (not only USA) sent shuttles/ships/rockets/whatever on flybuys of many of the planets with only a small chance it will get a good image before it carries on to another galaxy well out of range (...how cool is that?!) this all took place over the decades after the first moonwalk.


I watched a BBC documentary on the planets, looked like it was probably made in the late 90's. They have been concentrating on Mars and the other planets.

One probe was going to be sent in the late 90's which would take 12 yrs, TWELVE years to get to which ever planet it was... so I guess that will be soon then.

My point is that why would anyone bother going back to the moon when that goal has been reached and they could go for something bigger and better?

[fivebob]

For all those conspiracy theorists out there, can you please state what proof you would accept to agree that it did happen?

If you can't offer any reasonable definition of "acceptable proof" then you should put on your tinfoil hat and go and hide away in case the men in black helicopters, or more likely white coats, come and get you, because you certainly aren't capable of rational debate

Just so it's not one sided, the proof I will accept that it didn't happen is if you can explain how the telemetry (complete with Doppler shift) can be faked. i.e. How did they fake a signal coming from the mission, and more specifically from the command module orbiting the moon?

[RomanV]

Re: Moon landing conspiracys in general...

What a slap in the face it must be, to all of those people who worked so hard to contribute towards acheiving one of humankinds most amazing feats yet...
And instead of being remembered as such, having a bunch of ignorant fools sow seeds of doubt into the population as to whether they even did so.

Arguing with people about whether anyone landed on the moon?

No thanks, I've got better things to do, like reshape my eyesockets with a claw hammer.

[Adamal]

No thanks, I've got better things to do, like reshape my eyesockets with a claw hammer.

Pics or it didn't happen.

[Xylotrope]

They may have gone later on but ..

there is reasons to doubt the first landing ..

main evidence is ..

nasa atomic coded footage from within the spacecraft a day before they supposedly walked on the moon which shows Neil , Mike & Edwin manipulating the aspect of video shots taken from within the craft supposedly in orbit around the moon , they placed the video camera in the back of the craft (whilst stating the camera was pressed to the glass to achieve the far off shot and was taking up the only window with a view of the earth) filming the opposite wall centered on the window .. by blacking out the other windows and instruments on this wall they contrived the shots of the earth from lunar orbit (it is them,you see their faces them speaking and most important when they remove the window shades and all is revealed .IE .. window completely filled with a part of the EARTH = in EARTH orbit )

Also the recent reveal by nasa that they wiped the video originals filmed on the moon .. 3 years they have known for sure and not told any one ! .. announcing on thursday just before 40th Anniversary

to quote nasa

"The original videos beamed to Earth were stored on giant reels of tape that each contained 15 minutes of video, along with other data from the moon. In the 1970s and '80s, NASA had a shortage of the tapes, so it erased about 200,000 of them and reused them."

so they wiped them only a few years after they went to the studio/desert/moon take your pick either way it is weird

funny how modern film restoration could have revealed more details

to quote the studio wizard who made "Casablanca"

"The first batch of restored footage was released just in time for the 40th anniversary of the "one giant leap for mankind," and some of the details seem new because of their sharpness. Originally, astronaut Neil Armstrong's face visor was too fuzzy to be seen clearly. The upgraded video of Earth's first moonwalker shows the visor and a reflection in it."

Seems a pity to have lost such important footage before it could be studied

all thats left is " four video sources: CBS News originals; kinescopes from the National Archives; a video from Australia that received the transmission of the original moon video; and camera shots of a TV monitor."

(the last one is how they provided the media with footage .. they had to film a lowgrade TV with their cameras from a distance)

There was a lot of profit from this movie (estimated 100 plus million in back then dollars > now) to keep people quiet not to mention the official secrets act and the fact that not many people knew it was done due to compartmentalization .. a technique that kept the A bomb secret (with no bribes ) even though 100 thousand people are estimated to have known about it

All I am saying is that we should keep an open mind about things we cannot grasp in our hands or see with our eyes personally (TV is controlled and not real .. yes sadly even mythbusters get it wrong too )

To all the HeeHaws .. save it .. at this point it is still legal to have ones own theory .. as it should be ...

To everyone who doubts we are but pawns in game of world control ..
remember me when you get your RFID installed .. go drink some tap water & get a vaccination ( for last years flu ! ) full of mercury ..

truth is the federal reserve is a private company that controls what happens to you or I .. doesnt matter what YOU think .. if they say jump you had better ..

Oh .. theres always tamiflu if you really get depressed by this .. easy suicide (keep Rumsfeld and the others rich) ( BAXTER included H1N5 (bird flu) in it vaccines got sussed out in US so took prod to europe got sussed out there too and is in COURT for it now !!! ) (NO SHIT !)

FDA's in on it too "The FDA has now declared war on companies that dare to mention the anti-viral properties of their natural remedies, especially if they might be useful for H1N1 swine flu. The strategy, of course, is to destroy the market for natural products, thereby protecting the Big Pharma monopoly for swine flu vaccines and high-profit drugs."

and allow a Pandemic to proliferate enabling MARTIAL LAW and a sweeping change to how life will lived

PS .. why is going to take the yanks 12 years to mount a expedition to the moon (which they only announced after the Chinese did ! ? )

Whether you believe or not in this event you should do some research before you decide .. even then you may not know ..

Truths are out there if obscured

Be Wary