Running gull force 10 bio fuel ?

[kramer2202]

Hey i was wandering if it would be safe to run gull force 10 bio full in an ae82 fxgt with a 20v black top in it,as i herd the fuel can rust fuel lines in older cars.Thanks.

[Mr Revhead]

is it different than the e10 you get everywhere else?
It does not rust fuel lines.
There were some concerns that cause some issues in older cars, an AE82 is prob not considered "old" in that respect.

[jakesae101]

so i wouldnt have any issues running it in my trueno? i had looked at it at mobil and the likes aparently people get some good gains out of it vs 98 but the list says all toyotas post 91

[Crampy]

I use it in my AE92 with Silvertop 20V.
No problems so far. Also use it in my mates AE101 GT-Z.

[Prymal]

it seems to do a very good job of cleaning out the gumming in your lines , tank , and injectors ..

I ran a tank thru on the 4 , and ended up clogging the fuel filter with gunk .. I suspect though the fuel filter and tank had been bleah for a while though, and the Gf10 just cleaned so well that the system clogged ..

I still choose to run BP ultimate over anything as it seems to run happier on that than anything else

THOUGH in sayng that Gf10 does smell like rum when burned thru - your exhaust will smell like sugary stuff

[sergei]

I found fuel economy was worse with Gull Force. About 20%.

[Mr Revhead]

yep, the more alcohol in your fuel, the more fuel you will use
so, our fuel prices will go up, and we will need to burn more of it....

[Crampy]

I've also found Gull Force 10 is sometimes hard to find. I try to run my cars on the same gas all the time. Not a problem for the FXGT, as it's always short trips and nearby.
I used to stick with BP Ultimate on the longer trips in my BZ-G. Pretty easy to find that stuff.

[jakesae101]

i used more gas running bp98 than caltex 95 probibly driven exactly the same on the way there and back from rotorua in the gtz got 500ks out of a tank of 95 before the light and 460 out of 98 on the way back

[kramer2202]

ok thanks for that apparently u get better performance from it as well?

[IH8TEC]

only if it's tuned for it, which might be why some people get "20%" worse fuel economy.

me, my cars tuned on 98, get 500kms to a tank, put gull force 10 in it, and it's the same,

[sergei]

I get about 550km Out of 65L on 98(BP) or 450km out of same on gull force. City driving.
I believe due to less power (I press gas harder) in alcohol and extra oxygen car runs richer (oxygen sensor picks up extra oxygen that is in alcohol). Since I did not allow to run more than 1 tank with gull force, ECU never adjusted timing completely to take advantage of it.
I preffer BP Ultimate over anything.

[Mr Revhead]

It's simple
you need more alcohol than petrol to get the same energy
So the more alcohol in your fuel, the more fuel you burn

[sergei]

It's simple
you need more alcohol than petrol to get the same energy
So the more alcohol in your fuel, the more fuel you burn

Also as I mentioned before, alcohol contains oxygen in the molecule, thus increasing oxygen ratio slightly (and making oxygen sensor register that there is more oxygen). So when cruising ECU makes car run richer.

[sergei]

I believe alcohol blends are scam.
Unless there is a cheap way to synthesize alcohol out or garbage and crap, it will never work. You cannot sustain car fleet with agriculture.

[Flannelman]

There is alot of misleading info about alcohol fuels.

Alcohols geatest asset as a fuel is what chemists call a hight latent heat of evaporation. In english it means the fuel takes alot of heat to vaporise. This suppresses detonation so higher compression ratios can be used when building an engine or altering the timing for a more aggesive advance. But the engines that benifit most are turbos as more advance along with boost yeild very rewarding results.

And yes, if your car is tuned to run on 91 (or 95 for that matter) then you wont see the power potentual, just increased fuel useage and say its a waste of time and money, which realy does no justice for what potentual power alcohol can make

[sergei]

Yes, alcohol is great fuel and all, but making it from corn is wasteful.
Only plausible source of alcohol I see is pine. It grows like weed in NZ.
To run vehicles on alcohol, the vehicles must be alcohol only (tuned for alcohol). Otherwise it is wasteful.
There is not enough biomass in agriculture to accommodate current fuel usage. It is just like owning Prius - pretend to be green.

[Titties]

only if it's tuned for it, which might be why some people get "20%" worse fuel economy.

me, my cars tuned on 98, get 500kms to a tank, put gull force 10 in it, and it's the same,

i knew you were a minga Brendon lol

you shouldn't be running GF10 if you're tuned for 98

[IH8TEC]

why, if anything it's got less chance of detonating as it would normally allow you to run more timing.

still ran mint as well.

[Titties]

i guess thats what happens when you tune your car dog rich...
you need more gf10 to get correct AFR, because of the ethanol. But if you tune your car to 11:1, it's probably alright. cause the AFR will get leaner and you'll actually make more power