toyota recall

[Stott69]

Just seen a better insite to this on the news. Only 60 something nz cars affected. Also some conserns on the electronic acelerators and brake systems. Didn't know there was this tech in modern cars already

[Snaps]

Yep, just saw it on the news also, 61 Toyota Avensis's out of 700,000 Toyota's is not bad at all....

That technology is in my mum's 2004 Ford Falcon.... I would assume Toyota have been using it for longer than Ford (Old dinosaurs )

I don't get why it's being so blown out of proportion, media? Or is it the fact that Toyota's are so reliable, they struggle to find anything wrong with them? If it were to happen to me, just chuck the thing in neutral and pull the pedal back with my foot...

[Bling]

If it were to happen to me, just chuck the thing in neutral and pull the pedal back with my foot...

Want to give that a try? If the computer is causing the problem, i'm sure you could do anything you like to the pedal and it wouldn't help at all.


Read up about it in America, pretty sure people have been killed by this fault.

Here's more info:

Toyota has announced that it will cease North American production of eight models, including the high-volume selling Corolla, until an accelerator problem is resolved. The company has also expanded an existing recall related to a sticking accelerator pedal that has been linked to 20 deaths and 2,000 complaints in the States

Source

[Mr.Phreak]

[Alex B]

From some stuff I have read on the net, it looks like other cars are affected with a different fault to this to do with the cruise control too. The car will speed up and not stop speeding up until you put your foot on the brake. Steve Wozniak was complaining on his blog he could reproduce the fault time after time in his 2010 Prius, but Toyota don't want to know about it.

[FANGIN]

I read somewhere that the fault was in a specific bit of hardware, and that it didn't affect the JDM models because a local Japanese supplier supplied them

[Mr Revhead]

It is certainly a lot more serious in the states... 19 deaths being blamed on it

[sergei]

In case of Woz, the fault is simple poor implementation of debouncer.
It looks like debouncer fails on third consecutive flick of cruise control lever and starts counting the switch bounces as individual presses. Hence it takes about 10 times of clicking it back to reduce (or turn off with brake pedal). Definitely a software issue. One would think why not put rate limiter on the switch so you could only flick it at max say 10 times per second, if more often it is ignored, as well as it could only flicked 10 times maximum.

Needs a firmware update I guess.

Original issue could be solved via software entirely, if both pedals are pressed then throttle shuts. If the both pedals are pressed for over 10 seconds, engine shuts down (or revlimited to 1500rpm).

[Stott69]

Original issue could be solved via software entirely, if both pedals are pressed then throttle shuts. If the both pedals are pressed for over 10 seconds, engine shuts down (or revlimited to 1500rpm).

I see lack of burn outs with this sugestion, other wise yes good safty idea

[fangsport]

unfortunately for Toyota, since '05-06, technology has bitten the marque on the ar5e. since the current hilux/hiace/corolla has anything hit them as hard as the rust issues of the early '80's.

a brand synonymous with price and reliability that other makers could only dream of, is starting to show faults in current budget constraint trends.

never would it be heard of, for a new Corolla with less than 100km (not 100,000km) to throw a leg out of bed, a Hiace to have diff issues before 100,000km, or a Hilux to chew injectors for breakfast and need more for lunch.

the worst thing Toyota have done in the last 10 years was to outsource component manufacture and assembly to other nations.
at least compared to some of the other 'new' Aisa derived vehicles, Toyota are pretty on the case.

[DeeCee]

Vehicle recalls are standard fare. As we can see with honda, there are 2.3 million recalls to do and 6600 cars in NZ!! Who could forget the faulty brakes of mitsi trucks in 2k4..

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/motoring/news ... d=10624069

An international recall of 2.3 million Honda cars suspected of having a faulty electrical switch will include 6600 in New Zealand.

The company announced the recall yesterday following reports a circuit board beneath the driver's side electric window switch on some Honda Jazz models could be damaged by a large amount of liquid.

Honda NZ managing director Graham Seymour said a drink spilled in that area had the potential to cause melting, and in three instances had sparked fires.

He said exposure to rain would not be sufficient to cause issues and assured owners they were safe to keep using their cars normally.

The recall will involve Honda Jazz models from 2002-2003 and 2006-2008 (excluding the current model) which used the circuit board supplied by one of two Honda contractors.

Used Japanese imports were not affected.

Mr Seymour said owners would be notified by mail and could bring the car in to any Honda dealership for the "relatively quick" check.

"We've actually got very good systems of tracking individual cars so we'll be getting in touch with customers next week."

The board will be checked for water damage and either replaced or covered.

Toyota this week also confirmed it would be recalling about 60 Avensis cars in New Zealand as part of a world wide recall involving millions of vehicles due to a faulty accelerator assembly which could cause sudden acceleration.

[sergei]

Original issue could be solved via software entirely, if both pedals are pressed then throttle shuts. If the both pedals are pressed for over 10 seconds, engine shuts down (or revlimited to 1500rpm).

I see lack of burn outs with this sugestion, other wise yes good safty idea

Burnouts are not favourable with car manufacterors anyway (or anyone else except perhaps some minority), so it is added bonus.

[fivebob]

Makes bedding in new brakepads a bit of a pain though. Just have to do a few more "emergency" stops to get them up to temperature

[Trls250s]

Burnouts are not favourable with car manufacterors anyway (or anyone else except perhaps some minority), so it is added bonus.

Skids rule and you know it

[Lloyd]

a brand synonymous with price and reliability that other makers could only dream of, is starting to show faults in current budget constraint trends.

And they're still horribly expensive in comparison to a lot of the competition for that matter

[DXROLLA]

I find it funny how the media cant seem to do there own research into the matter they are only going off what the American media are saying. I find it funny how they are picking on Toyota as there are many recalls every year from many manufacturers.
Such as the last few months here at Toyota we have been fixing numerous amounts of rear axles in early and late 90s Prados. I think it is a good idea that they are doing these recalls at least they are not turning a blind eye and not willing to pay out. As for the prados i was speaking of there wasnt even a big problem just a couple of cases of the axles breaking over seas due to excessive use, so your every day Prado will never have a problem yet Toyota are stepping up just incase and sticking by there customers, and its not like these vehicles are under warranty.

So good on Toyota i say

[cat007]

It is certainly a lot more serious in the states... 19 deaths being blamed on it

but they're only yanks....

*waits for flames hehe*

[DeeCee]

blame is not the same as firm evidence. If there was direct cause and effect of the death of 19 people, then it would Toyota would really be up teh creek:

How many injuries have been attributed to the problem?

There are no confirmed cases of injury in the UK. In the US, up to 19 US crash deaths over the past decade may be linked to accelerator-related problems at Toyota, congressional officials have said.

Over the past decade even??? you have worst statistics from general negligence on the roads.

Also, there is differentiation between the floor mat issue and the pedal issue, and Woz's prius software issue.

*goes checks what year Dad's Prado was in case he has a wonky rear axle due to his trips to the supermarket and the tennis club

PS - the above rant is based on the american media over blowing the situation and basically not attributing the deaths on driver carelessness or lack of driving ability. The main case being the California Highway Patrol Officer who died with his family in a loan lexus and didn't know how to use the brakes - yes generalisation, but you think the guy would know how to stop a car...

[fangsport]

a brand synonymous with price and reliability that other makers could only dream of, is starting to show faults in current budget constraint trends.

And they're still horribly expensive in comparison to a lot of the competition for that matter

well and good Lloyd, but where Toyota save face by a recall, other marques ingore the problem. Ford/Mazda and their Courier/bounty are a joke, but yet to see a recall................ just a crapload of unecessary warrenty claims.

blame is not the same as firm evidence. If there was direct cause and effect of the death of 19 people, then it would Toyota would really be up teh creek:

How many injuries have been attributed to the problem?

There are no confirmed cases of injury in the UK. In the US, up to 19 US crash deaths over the past decade may be linked to accelerator-related problems at Toyota, congressional officials have said.

highlight for those who are inept at reading, just incase they missed the sensationalist reporting.

[Mr Revhead]

Such as the last few months here at Toyota we have been fixing numerous amounts of rear axles in early and late 90s Prados.

Last few months?! Hell in Welly we were doing that... like 2-3 years ago!


Ever since the Mitsi debacle re-calls have become more common place. No one wants a reaming like Mitsi took for ignoring any issues.

Also several of the Toyota recalls. ie the above mentioned prado recall and the earlier surf/hilux steering rod recall were mainly about getting older used vehicles back in touch with a dealer so they can take the chance to get those customers back for servicing/repairs