No Rally NZ next year

[sergei]

Yes they were, but this would have been the perfect chance to break that and get it back to yearly.
I mean with all the extra people that are meant to be here it would have been the perfcet time for a massive tourism boost.
Afterall what do you think the rest of the world cares about most? RWC or WRC.
I bet you it doesnt start with a R.....

I will tell you one thing: most of Eurasia/Africa/South America doesn't even know what rugby is!
It all about football there (aka soccer).

[gt4dude]

i rather see youtube footage of the st185 and st205 in the wrc than the current crop of rally cars.

toyota is like, been there, done that, kicked a$$, time for F1



(intake restrictor cheat? what's that? don't know what you're talking about)

[Leon]

I was just reading a news release by Rally NZ and they said

“The WRC calendar is heavily influenced by the logistics of moving all of the teams and equipment around the world, and a significant portion of the equipment is shipped by sea. The shipping schedules dictated an event in September or October 2011. We had no desire to conflict with the RWC and had to decline those dates.”

Carr says they then looked at dates on either side of the RWC, but again, struck issues such as access to key venues like Queens Wharf.

[B1NZ]

Afterall what do you think the rest of the world cares about most? RWC or WRC.
I bet you it doesnt start with a R.....

I think you may be wrong, I know some of you dont like rugby, just get over it, I dont like F1 but I dont cry about it when it takes over everything on sky sports.

You will probably find that the RWC and WRC fans are 2 totally different fan bases, I think our country will have problems dealing with the RWC fan base without trying to accommodate WRC fans at the same time.

Build a bridge

[Mr Revhead]

I think you may be wrong,

Oh I bet I'm not.

[Dell'Orto]

Personally i reckon it will not be as big as they think it will.

Given the RWC hit something like $40m in ticket sales on the first day, I think it will be.

[sergei]

Afterall what do you think the rest of the world cares about most? RWC or WRC.
I bet you it doesnt start with a R.....

I think you may be wrong, I know some of you dont like rugby, just get over it, I dont like F1 but I dont cry about it when it takes over everything on sky sports.

You will probably find that the RWC and WRC fans are 2 totally different fan bases, I think our country will have problems dealing with the RWC fan base without trying to accommodate WRC fans at the same time.

Build a bridge

You missed my point where I stated that real world does not even know of existence of rugby. In reality beyond small group of countries the rugby is as obscure as crossball. Even people who seen rugby think of it as american football without armour.

Similar could be said about cricket - "it is like baseball, right?" normal response of a "foreigner".

Saying that American Football and Baseball is only known because of hollywood.

For rest of the world: Football (soccer), Hockey (Ice one) , Basketball, and even Volleyball is where it is at.

Before coming to NZ I never heard of Rugby, and only seen Cricket in poorly drawn pictures about history of Britain.

[Brick]

I dont see what the big deal is really

Whats one year missing out for something (RWC) we get how often? First time i no of

anyway i dont care, ill just watch it over in europe

[B1NZ]

You missed my point where I stated that real world does not even know of existence of rugby.

News Flash: New Zealand, Australia, England, Wales, France, Scotland, Ireland, Fiji, Tonga, Canada, Argentina, Italy, USA, Samoa, Nambia, Georgia and even Russia are all part of the real world.

In your imaginary world New Zealand still does not have the infrastructure to cope with both events at the same time.

I would love to be able to watch a game or 2 in NZ but I will be in Europe instead

[Mr Revhead]

Most of those countries are like us at the winter olympics, there to make up the numbers only

Anyway, the point of this thread is it is stupid to can the rally next year because of the world cup. Not about how stupid rugby is.

[S T E A L T H]

don't see why the 2 have to clash. lack of organisational competence IMO.

In terms of importance to our interests and economy the RWC is infinately bigger.

[Mr Revhead]

But it's here once...... Rally has been here for 20 odd years..... and could be here for a lot longer if given half a chance
So, I reckon in the long term, its less than the WRC round here.

[mr30%jr]

it shows our countries priorities..... they might just say :$&#$%: we wont bother at all throwing a poo shape ball is clearly more important...

[shihad]

You missed my point where I stated that real world does not even know of existence of rugby.

Afterall what do you think the rest of the world cares about most? RWC or WRC.
I bet you it doesnt start with a R.....

During the 2007 season, the cumulative worldwide TV audience for ISC's WRC programming was 816 million

The 2007 tournament had a cumulative world television audience of 4.2 billion for the 48 matches
The tournament is one of the largest international sporting events in the world, surpassed in scale only by the FIFA World Cup and the Summer Olympics.


quoted from the most reliable source on the planet of course.

[Bling]

I think you may be wrong,

Oh I bet I'm not.

One way to solve this, show us proof of your theory

[sergei]

The 2007 tournament had a cumulative world television audience of 4.2 billion for the 48 matches

FFUUUUUUUUUUU no wander world is in such state, that is heluvalot of meatheads.

[Mr Revhead]

that will be the population of all the countries that will show it on tv. Live, recorded or 30 min highlight packages only. NOT how many people will watch it.

[Bling]

Sergei, you're a meathead, but you seem to be doing alright?

[sergei]

Sergei, you're a meathead, but you seem to be doing alright?

by Terry Bisson

"They're made out of meat."

"Meat?"

"Meat. They're made out of meat."

"Meat?"

"There's no doubt about it. We picked up several from different parts of the planet, took them aboard our recon vessels, and probed them all the way through. They're completely meat."

"That's impossible. What about the radio signals? The messages to the stars?"

"They use the radio waves to talk, but the signals don't come from them. The signals come from machines."

"So who made the machines? That's who we want to contact."

"They made the machines. That's what I'm trying to tell you. Meat made the machines."

"That's ridiculous. How can meat make a machine? You're asking me to believe in sentient meat."

"I'm not asking you, I'm telling you. These creatures are the only sentient race in that sector and they're made out of meat."

"Maybe they're like the orfolei. You know, a carbon-based intelligence that goes through a meat stage."

"Nope. They're born meat and they die meat. We studied them for several of their life spans, which didn't take long. Do you have any idea what's the life span of meat?"

"Spare me. Okay, maybe they're only part meat. You know, like the weddilei. A meat head with an electron plasma brain inside."

"Nope. We thought of that, since they do have meat heads, like the weddilei. But I told you, we probed them. They're meat all the way through."

"No brain?"

"Oh, there's a brain all right. It's just that the brain is made out of meat! That's what I've been trying to tell you."

"So ... what does the thinking?"

"You're not understanding, are you? You're refusing to deal with what I'm telling you. The brain does the thinking. The meat."

"Thinking meat! You're asking me to believe in thinking meat!"

"Yes, thinking meat! Conscious meat! Loving meat. Dreaming meat. The meat is the whole deal! Are you beginning to get the picture or do I have to start all over?"

"Omigod. You're serious then. They're made out of meat."

"Thank you. Finally. Yes. They are indeed made out of meat. And they've been trying to get in touch with us for almost a hundred of their years."

"Omigod. So what does this meat have in mind?"

"First it wants to talk to us. Then I imagine it wants to explore the Universe, contact other sentiences, swap ideas and information. The usual."

"We're supposed to talk to meat."

"That's the idea. That's the message they're sending out by radio. 'Hello. Anyone out there. Anybody home.' That sort of thing."

"They actually do talk, then. They use words, ideas, concepts?"
"Oh, yes. Except they do it with meat."

"I thought you just told me they used radio."

"They do, but what do you think is on the radio? Meat sounds. You know how when you slap or flap meat, it makes a noise? They talk by flapping their meat at each other. They can even sing by squirting air through their meat."

"Omigod. Singing meat. This is altogether too much. So what do you advise?"

"Officially or unofficially?"

"Both."

"Officially, we are required to contact, welcome and log in any and all sentient races or multibeings in this quadrant of the Universe, without prejudice, fear or favor. Unofficially, I advise that we erase the records and forget the whole thing."

"I was hoping you would say that."

"It seems harsh, but there is a limit. Do we really want to make contact with meat?"

"I agree one hundred percent. What's there to say? 'Hello, meat. How's it going?' But will this work? How many planets are we dealing with here?"

"Just one. They can travel to other planets in special meat containers, but they can't live on them. And being meat, they can only travel through C space. Which limits them to the speed of light and makes the possibility of their ever making contact pretty slim. Infinitesimal, in fact."

"So we just pretend there's no one home in the Universe."

"That's it."

"Cruel. But you said it yourself, who wants to meet meat? And the ones who have been aboard our vessels, the ones you probed? You're sure they won't remember?"

"They'll be considered crackpots if they do. We went into their heads and smoothed out their meat so that we're just a dream to them."

"A dream to meat! How strangely appropriate, that we should be meat's dream."

"And we marked the entire sector unoccupied."

"Good. Agreed, officially and unofficially. Case closed. Any others? Anyone interesting on that side of the galaxy?"

"Yes, a rather shy but sweet hydrogen core cluster intelligence in a class nine star in G445 zone. Was in contact two galactic rotations ago, wants to be friendly again."

"They always come around."

"And why not? Imagine how unbearably, how unutterably cold the Universe would be if one were all alone ..."

I am not a meathead, although I did PE at Russian school (it was compulsory) I hated every bit of it (although I did well, as I was forced to go to regional Olympics for sprints and such). I played soccer, again I hated every bit of it (usually would end up in a fight). Then I realised, I could wag PE at all and use other teachers (I used to be top student in school) to pressure PE teacher to give me a good grade.

I find normal sports retarded. To be honest I don't like watching WRC as sport (I don't care who wins), I like watching WRC as technical documentary - how they drive, what engineering involved, what techniques they use, etc.

[TRD Man]

Warwicks correct in that there's no way 4 billion + would watch the rugby. That's 2 thirds of the entire world population. However I wouldn't believe that 800 million would watch the WRC either.
But the proportion is probably correct with 5 times as many watching the rugby as the WRC.

don't see why the 2 have to clash. lack of organisational competence IMO.

Let me assure you, STEALTH, that the RNZ organising team are about as competent as it is possible to be.
Things that affect the running of the event are:
Support of local authorities.
Use of suitable venues.
Availability of hotel beds.
Access to media.

As large as you might perceive Auckland to be, it simply hasn't the infrastructure to support 2 major events at one time.

In terms of importance to our interests and economy the RWC is infinately bigger.

This is correct.