Center diff in ST215 wearing?

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Postby strx7 » Sun Oct 10, 2010 8:55 pm

odd considering that the front diff has guranteed drive, and the rear relies on the viscous to give it drive.

they are by design, a front wheel drive car with rear wheel drive assistance
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Postby MAGN1T » Sun Oct 10, 2010 9:06 pm

It's the centre diff that splits the torque, the viscous unit is like any other limited slip unit, it partially locks the front and rear outputs together so that with slippage in one of them, there's still drive to the other.

Easy way to check is to put the car into neutral, lift the front wheels, turn both fronts in the same direction, the resistance that you feel is from the viscous unit. When they wear out, it's often from running different sized tyres, the viscous unit gets too hot and actually gets tighter, not loose.

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Postby strx7 » Mon Oct 11, 2010 7:27 am

and it causes the car to 'bind up' when doing tight turns - u turns, car parks etc you can feel it trying to crab its way around a corner
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Postby GTTpower » Mon Oct 11, 2010 7:30 am

strx7 wrote:odd considering that the front diff has guranteed drive, and the rear relies on the viscous to give it drive.

they are by design, a front wheel drive car with rear wheel drive assistance


Sounds like my car. No centre diff but transfer case sends torque to viscous coupling which takes up difference between the front a rear diffs. End up with about a 60:40 front/rear split.
This is making me question all transverse 'full time 4wd' layouts, Subaru & Audi are sounding better all the time :wink:
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Postby cat007 » Mon Oct 11, 2010 8:12 am

Well as a test yesterday, while driving to my mates in the wop wops, I boosted in 2nd gear and the back kicked out giving a really nice 4 wheel drive feeling. I'll have another go in the wet when I can
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Postby strx7 » Mon Oct 11, 2010 10:09 am

GTTpower wrote:
strx7 wrote:odd considering that the front diff has guranteed drive, and the rear relies on the viscous to give it drive.

they are by design, a front wheel drive car with rear wheel drive assistance


Sounds like my car. No centre diff but transfer case sends torque to viscous coupling which takes up difference between the front a rear diffs. End up with about a 60:40 front/rear split.
This is making me question all transverse 'full time 4wd' layouts, Subaru & Audi are sounding better all the time :wink:


Correct, short of having very sophisticated gearbox/transfer/front diff arrangement - ala full out rally car with $30K+ drivetrain, that is what you get
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Postby GTTpower » Mon Oct 11, 2010 11:36 am

strx7 wrote:
GTTpower wrote:
strx7 wrote:odd considering that the front diff has guranteed drive, and the rear relies on the viscous to give it drive.

they are by design, a front wheel drive car with rear wheel drive assistance


Sounds like my car. No centre diff but transfer case sends torque to viscous coupling which takes up difference between the front a rear diffs. End up with about a 60:40 front/rear split.
This is making me question all transverse 'full time 4wd' layouts, Subaru & Audi are sounding better all the time :wink:


Correct, short of having very sophisticated gearbox/transfer/front diff arrangement - ala full out rally car with $30K+ drivetrain, that is what you get


Hmm interesting, sorry to go off topic but how different are evo setups compared to celica/caldina? Ive heard they use clutch pack centre lsds as opposed to this viscous thing.
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Postby iOnic » Mon Oct 11, 2010 12:47 pm

They all have the viscous center unit
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